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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Now think about that for a minute, if yu really knew how to explain or even define evolution, you would do it instead of coming up with cute little ten cent phrases. I can explain what I believe in, but, seems as if you can't.

So, I'll start.

Genesis Chapter Eleven

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they(decedents of Nimrod, the son of Cush, the son of Noah) journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly". And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter(tar).

4 And they said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel (literally Babylon); because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood: 11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah: 13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber: 15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg: 17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.

18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu: 19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.

20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug: 21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.

22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor: 23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah: 25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot.

28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. 29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.

30 But Sarai was barren; she had no child. 31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and he went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran. (Genesis 11:1-32 ACP/KJV)

In verses 1-10 we see the story of the founding of the city of Babylon, and how God was forced to come down and send men apart by confounding their languages so that they no longer spoke one language, but many. Why? Because God had told them to scatter throughout all the world and repopulate it. But and as the case of Adam and Eve, men, under the leadership of Nimrod, disobeyed God. And just as with Adam and Eve, God refused to be disobeyed and had the final word. Keep that in mind when you are tempted to disobey God, He will have the last word. Check out Hebrews 9:27.

Now, starting in verse 11 and running thru verse 27 and finishing with verse 32, we see three very important facts of life and Scripture.

Noah's son Shem, the middle boy, the one in which Jesus traces His lineage, was born in the year 1559 after the fall of man. He lived a total of 600 years and died in 2159 after the fall of man.

Shem was 100 years old when his son Arphaxad was born in 1659 after the fall of man. Arphaxad lived 438 years and died in 2097 after the fall of man.

Arphaxad son Salah was born in 1694 after the fall of man, Salah lived 433 years and died in 2127 after the fall of man.

Salah's son Eber was born in 1724 after the fall of man, Eber lived 464 years and died in the year 2188 after the fall of man.

Eber had a son named Peleg who was born in 1758 after the fall of man, Peleg lived 239 years and died in 1997 after the fall of man.

Peleg had a son named Reu, Reu was born in 1788 after the fall of man,Reu lived a total of 239 years and died in 2027 after the fall of man.

Reu's son Serug was born in 1820 after the fall of man, Serug lived 230 years and died in 2050 after the fall of man.

Serug had a son named Nahor who was born in the year 1850 after the fall of man. Nahor lived 148 years and he died in the year 1998 after the fall of man.

Nahor, the grand father of Abraham had his son Terah in the year 1859 after the fall of man. Terah lived 205 years and died in 2084 after the fall of man.

While the evolutionist flounder around searching here and there for some kind of maybe proof that their theory isn't full of holes and slime, we have the accurate, decisive, honest and reliable word of God. And from it we can see four clear and absolute facts.

1. They were all born!

2. As we get further from the flood and further form the casting our of the Garden of Eden, men's lives got and are getting shorter. Shem lived 600 years, his great, great grandson Eber lived but 239 years and 3 generations later, Nahor lived only 148 years, I will be very surprised if I live half that long fro 74 is considered a nice ripe ole age.

3. They all died!

4. The world is not billions and billions of years old dated by a so called record of dead things, because the first death took place only 6,417 years ago when God killed an animal or two to clothe Adam and Eve! Genesis 3:21

Now there are three points I want to cover.

1. The first sin and death came into the world between 6,415 and 6,417 years ago, that is an absolute fact, not according to me, but according to the word of God, the Holy Bible. Anyone saying otherwise is calling God's word, the Holy Bible wrong and by default accusing the Author(GOD) of either not knowing what He(GOD) is taking about or a liar. Look if your preacher says 6,000 years ago, that's ok, if he says 10,000 years ago, you need to ask him how he arrived at that number, if he says millions of years ago or billions of years ago, you need to find another church. One where the preacher reads and believes Holy Scripture.

2. Everyone is going to die.

Ah that's enough for now.

By the way, while I din't right it, it does articulate what I believe.

Now it is your turn.

65 posted on 10/05/2005 9:16:34 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: newsgatherer
The first sin and death came into the world between 6,415 and 6,417 years ago

I recently received a Carbon-14 date at 7140 BP (Before Present, defined as AD 1950).

Can you tell me how this date is so in error?

ps. The site had no evidence of a flood.

67 posted on 10/05/2005 9:24:18 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: newsgatherer
4. The world is not billions and billions of years old dated by a so called record of dead things, because the first death took place only 6,417 years ago when God killed an animal or two to clothe Adam and Eve! Genesis 3:21

You actually believe this this literally true? Really? =8^D

68 posted on 10/05/2005 9:25:11 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: newsgatherer

"While the evolutionist flounder around searching here and there for some kind of maybe proof that their theory isn't full of holes and slime, we have the accurate, decisive, honest and reliable word of God. "

So YOU say. :)

"Now it is your turn."

Been there, done that.


72 posted on 10/05/2005 9:30:54 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: newsgatherer

"By the way, while I din't right it, it does articulate what I believe. "

OK, then, how about telling us who DID write it and giving us a link to the place where you copied it. That way, we could go there and read more.


74 posted on 10/05/2005 9:33:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: newsgatherer
The world is not billions and billions of years old dated by a so called record of dead things, because the first death took place only 6,417 years ago when God killed an animal or two to clothe Adam and Eve! Genesis 3:21 [...] The first sin and death came into the world between 6,415 and 6,417 years ago, that is an absolute fact, not according to me, but according to the word of God, the Holy Bible. Anyone saying otherwise is calling God's word, the Holy Bible wrong and by default accusing the Author(GOD) of either not knowing what He(GOD) is taking about or a liar.

This is an example of how nutty creationism gets, and how it often (however opposite to its motivating intent) leads to distortions of the Bible.

The Bible doesn't say a darn thing about whether or not animals died before the fall of man. The story is clearly about man becoming subject to death and decay. Yet some creationists impose this nonsense on the text because it fits in with the young earth view and flood geology.

And ironically the modern flood geology scheme, though associated with more successful popularizers like Henry Morris, was originally devised by Seventh-Day Adventist George McCready Price to bring science into conformity with the (purportedly, according to conservative Adventists) inerrant writings of the sect's prophetess Ellen G. White. Thus modern fundamentalists like yourself unknowingly read the dreams, visions and miscellaneous rants of White back into your Bibles.

You also implicitly posit a wholesale recreation of the world, or at least of living things, that the Bible says nothing about. For if there were indeed not death or decay before the fall of man then there would be no cell death either. And yet cell death is absolutely necessary to the functioning of all animals, and to their proper development. (When cells don't die as they should, we call that "cancer".)

Animals would have to work in such a completely and fundamentally different fashion that, whatever the superficial and macroscopic similarities, there's no warrant to even call them the same creatures. For instance a horse before the fall of man might have things that looked like hooves at the end of each leg, but they couldn't actually be hooves, because hooves, like fingernails, are composed of dead cells; and they couldn't grow in the way hooves do because they requires cell death too. But they'd have to grow in some way to replace wear from usage, unless you want to do away with friction too in which case the horse couldn't walk anyway. But they couldn't grow the way we understand growth, that is by adding new cells, because that means other cells would have to die. Again there would have to be some whole other system of biology (maybe not even based on cells) behind these non-death-experiencing, pre-fall creatures.

It's just stupid, and all the more so in that it is gratuitously imposed on the Bible (by supposed literalists) rather than read from it.

173 posted on 10/05/2005 11:52:54 AM PDT by Stultis
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