[shuckmaster]

Not everyone is willing to learn enough about science to have an understanding of it. We see that in all of these threads when people are unwilling to even discuss the TOE in terms of its own ideas.

That's why I try to translate what I learn from the scientists here into simple layman's terms that even I can understand. I know I sometimes get it wrong but, I'm learning. For example I just learned from Ich's previous post... It's "evidence" not "proof"... evidence not proof... evidence not proof... Nothings ever proved but there's lot's of evidence...

[js1138]

I know I sometimes get it wrong but, I'm learning.

The ID proponents have no idea what they have unleashed. They have forced all of us to learn more and sharpen our arguments. They have committed themselves to basing an article of their faith on knowledge that can be studied and challenged by the methods of science.

These are rookie errors.