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To: SampleMan
I doubt Peter had any Bible at all. He wrote and received letters. He would have also had knowledge if not possession (not likely) of the Jewish histories and laws.

Clearly, you are not very aware of history. In fact Peter did have a 'Bible'. He quotes extensively from the LXX (Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible). He refers to it as SCRIPTURE. And yes, if you want to get technical it was in biblio format. A bound codex is not the definition of "Bible", friend - but neither was that binding an invention of the Catholic Church. Apparently you are unaware of 2Timothy 4:13 where Paul says,

"Bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas when you come and the books, especially the parchments..."

Now you can believe what you like about what is a 'Christian Bible' but Paul would look at you like you had lost your mind. He asked Timothy to bring his biblios. Heresy! Without a Catholic Church to sancition it? Musta been books of Plato.

For the first 300 years or so, the Church used a collection of different works, but did not settle on which ones were authentic, redundant or trivial.

Again, your information is false. The fact is that approved lists that ADDED 'New Testament' books to the sacred Scriptures were present very early in the Second Century (and earlier. Paul called Peter's writings Scripture and Peter said the same thing of Paul's writings). The first canonical councils assumed their precedence. Have you even READ Clement I? That is First Century. He is even claimed by Catholics as their own, but apparently your dogma did not give you his name in your talking points.

Curiously, I wonder where you make the cut off between early Church and evil Catholics? Which one wrote your Bible?

Roman Catholicism has its orgin in the middle Second Century, although not exclusive in leadership. By the early Third Century it began to have more exclusive sway. By the late Third and early Fourth Century, Roman Catholicism was dominate.

As for the earliet believers, they were mostly Jewish, and used the Jewish Scriptures in addition to writings of the Apostles. After the first generation died out, at the end of the First Century, the majority of leadership was from Greek and Roman background - and disavowed all ties to Jews.

That's history, but you will likely and blindly reject it. But is there to read if you dare.

It just couldn't be "The Christian Bible", as that would require Christ.

How sad that some people not only know little of the front 3/4ths of their Bible, but the 'New Testament' as well. Yeshua [Jesus] and Paul taught that the entire 'Old Testament' speaks of Messiah.

For the first 30 years, the early believers did quite well with only what you call the 'Old Testament'. They would laugh at what you say about their Bible.
276 posted on 10/05/2005 11:49:06 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft
You really are a Catholic hating wind bag aren't you?

You seem most smug in your ability to drop names. Can't say I'm much impressed, as I own books too, or Bibles as you would call them. Peter likely was well versed in Jewish scripture, much of his time with Jesus was spent studying and discussing it, but less likely to have traveled with scrolls, which were not allowed to be taken out of the temple.

You have so confused yourself with thinking that biblios means Bible that you're off the deep end.
You remind me of this Baptist preacher that swore up and down that the King James was the only true version, as it is what Paul used. Its really hard to argue with such depths of self-delusion.
Your use of the phrase "Jewish Bible" pretty much caps it all. This fits in with other well known Bibles such as "The Fly fishing Bible" and "The CB Radio Bible". Or perhaps you meant to say the Christian Torah.

As many of the disciple's letters directly steer Jewish Christians to avoid the requirements of Jewish law for Gentiles, your concentration on the Old Testament is curious.

Do you follow the Old Testament then? Do you keep a kosher diet, as prescribed in Deuteronomy? Do you follow all of the old Jewish laws like just like Orthodox Jews, or are you happy with picking and choosing?

Spare me your Christian cleft notes, your Catholic bashing, and your presumptuous, holier than thou, diatribes, where you pretend that the Catholic church didn't exist until the Reformation gave heretics a name.

293 posted on 10/05/2005 7:16:15 PM PDT by SampleMan
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