Posted on 10/04/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by areafiftyone
What about an entire family that has every member down sick...just let them die because they can't fend for themselves? You're not think about this in a massive sense. You're looking at it where only one or two people are sick. Think hundreds of thousands...at the same time.
Do you have sources for ANY of this? I have yet to read anything about it going person to person. I've also read that one of the things that HASNT happened is migratory birds carrying it to other continents.
Well actually, there are already pre-approved plans in the Pentagon that deal with all sorts of nation-wide "issues" within the borders of the country. One of them is insurrection, another is an accidental release from a NIH Class IV facility (easily amendable to include a pandemic), accidental release of a SNP physics package, etc, etc, etc. They even have code-word release authority. All it takes is a phone call from NCA and your "right to move freely" vanishes....period. And the political chips will fall where they may after the incident is over.
No he isn't. For example, he wouldn't consider using them to actually secure the southern border.
OOOOOH! That's gonna leave a mark!
Nicely put! If theres ANY place we are vulnerable, it's with the unchecked masses that ILLEGALLY Infiltrate our Southern Border!
How many have already crossed and are infected...all for the sake of cheap lettuce and clean toilets? How many more may cross, and overwhelm all the border States' healthcare systems?
You haven't read the thread, right?
We are most vulnerable on the north, right now, as a matter of fact, with regard to Avian flu.
There is currently an outbreak of a "mystery illness" in Toronto, which has an enormous asian population. No one knows what it is. Supposedly, it is negative for SARS and Avian flu, although both those illnesses are well known for false negatives if samples are collected too early, at the wrong body location, etc.
See post #214. There are some very extensive threads already on this subject. Search for avian flu. Ex-Texan and Judith Ann are excellent on this subject.
Recombinomics http://www.recombinomics.com/in_the_news.html is an excellent portal sight for the latest updates. You can find the figures for the fatality rate there. In a pandemic, from what I have read, the fatality rate would not remain that high.
From what I have seen, there is proof of transmission of the bird flu by migrating birds at least into Russia, and possibly into northern Europe.
I have a relative who works at the CDC surveillance center,,she has been talking of this for months, says the CDC is in a high alert mode, they think it is coming, this year, to a town near all of us. She is no alarmist but has said if cases happen here, hole up with months of food and don't leave home. Apparently air travel will stop as soon as cases start, schools will be closed and hell will follow. They don't know yet how the virus will act in large populations and hope the death rate won't be what they are seeing in those who contracted it from birds. It is a matter of time.
This is no joke, no small thing. And parenthetically my grandfather died in the 1918 flu, he was well in the morning and dead that night. My father was 14 and spent months riding his horse around rural Louisiana burying the dead and tending to the sick. He was 14.
The bird flu is not known to go from person to person ,,yet.
No vaccine for this strain as it has not lept to people from birds yet.
The amount of disinformation on this thread is astounding.
I don't think some people are taking what could be...serious enough. Maybe they can't grasp how deadly a situtation we could find ourselves in.
THe latest word on Tamiflu which worked initally on Bird flue is that it no longer works, there has been resistance developing. Symmetrel worked initially but is not wrking now.
Tamiflu was the last drug to work and now it is looking weak.
There are limited cases of person to person transmission, there's a link to the New England Journal of Medicine article earlier on this thread.
I posted a link to the CDC information and a couple of paragraphs.
Some don't think this constitutes "proof" of h2h transmission, but it is certainly strongly suggestive of a beginning of h2h in a limited way.
Gosh, you sound so impatient. It must be so much fun for you when people die terrible prolonged deaths. But the waiting must be frustrating for you.
Seek help.
What disinformation?
If it gets that bad, why stop with a measly quarantine? Why not go all out and firebomb all affected areas? I mean, you're either with us or you're with the virus. We need to fight the virus in those affected areas so we don't have to fight it here.
The drug Co is working 24 hours a day making as much as possible. Govt's are buying it up. There is still not enought and it is probably moot anyway.
Tamiflu is being used at double the dose, in some cases, I have read.
In some cases, Tamiflu and Amantadine (which target different areas and functions of the H5N1 virus) are being used together. This may or may not help overcome some of the developing resistance.
The vaccine is a guess estimate of what might work. They don't know if it will. The virus hasn't spread to people yet.
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