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Microsoft Windows Officially Broken
Smartoffice News ^ | 27 September 2005 | David Richards & WSJ

Posted on 10/04/2005 5:33:08 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Windows was broken and Microsoft has admitted it. In an unprecedented attempt to explain its Longhorn problems and how it abandoned its traditional way of working, the normally secretive software giant has given unparalleled access to The Wall Street Journal, even revealing how Vice President Jim Allchin, personally broke the bad news to Bill Gates.

(Excerpt) Read more at smartofficenews.com.au ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; competition; google; linux; microsoft; security; windows
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Then why don't you move over to open source everything tomorrow? emacs is easy to use.


41 posted on 10/04/2005 12:19:04 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

> As a former US Army CI Agent - I can personlly testify that the military has been draining the swamp of terrorism since at least 1985!!!!

Well, us civilians didn't learn of it until Nov 01 when I made that tag line. Have used it on every post ever since and won't stop until the swamp is gone.


42 posted on 10/04/2005 12:21:15 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: Bush2000
And the cost of actually maintaining that mainframe crap is astronomical...

And to think I've actually been saying nice things about you to others recently.

Do you believe that there is no place in the computing environment for mainframes? There are many situations where anything else is wildly inappropriate.

43 posted on 10/04/2005 12:21:23 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Maybe the outsourced programmers in India can fix it.


44 posted on 10/04/2005 12:22:56 PM PDT by Buffettfan (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Lx

NAV has become a POS. I have AVG free on one home machine and Norton on another. Norton demands to be activated at least once a week. Once the licence expires, it's history.

Most of the machines I manage now have AVG and MS Anti-spyware. None have ever bluescreened and none have acquired any malware.


45 posted on 10/04/2005 12:24:53 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Rate_Determining_Step

okay, then - wasn't trying to be meanspirited :)


46 posted on 10/04/2005 12:25:28 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

No worries. :) I'm still hot over my linux problem. The wholesale amount of low-rent software I've been dealing with is worse than the first disk of "freeware" programs I got with my CP/M machine.


47 posted on 10/04/2005 12:29:49 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Rrrrrrrright. As long as you get your TCO and ROI figures from IBM (who are constantly trying to shill their zSeries mainframes), you can probably claim that mainframes are cheaper. But they're not. Upfront hardware and software costs are astronomical. IBM tries to hide the software costs by pretending that people are going to deploy freeware Linux on their mainframes (they aren't -- but once IBM gets them with the initial purchase, that's just a detail that gets lost in the shuffle). IBM also extends the range of TCO analysis unreasonably to something like 20 or 30 years. Finding competent mainframe programmers is very difficult -- and it's getting more difficult every year. That translates into far higher labor costs going forward.


48 posted on 10/04/2005 1:16:17 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Rate_Determining_Step
"There must be something wrong with what you're doing ... You're stupid ... Linux cures cancer ... I've kept my server running for 150 years so far ... You must work for Microsoft ... INSERT LINUX ZEALOT COMMENT HERE ... blah, blah, blah. "

;-)
49 posted on 10/04/2005 1:18:45 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: zeugma
Do you believe that there is no place in the computing environment for mainframes?

Yes, absolutely. In legacy maintenance-only systems. But there are far better alternatives for new development.
50 posted on 10/04/2005 1:22:04 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
Finding competent mainframe programmers is very difficult

Depends on which hemisphere you look in.

51 posted on 10/04/2005 1:22:35 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Bush2000

And your figures are from, let me guess, MS???

I also notice you ignored the mid range machines (wonder why??)

You KNOW that you are wrong, but, you will continue to claim that Bill Gates and MS sh*T gold - I have never understood why you, or anyone else *without a vested interest*, would defend MS so strongly. Neither IBM nor MS are "the Greatest" - and no one "product" is the be all and end all in IT/IS. Each of us has certain favourites - but to claim "superhuman" attributes which simply don't exist is, well, childish.


52 posted on 10/04/2005 1:40:18 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
And your figures are from, let me guess, MS???

Nope.

I also notice you ignored the mid range machines (wonder why??)

Because I wasn't referring to mid range machines.

Each of us has certain favourites - but to claim "superhuman" attributes which simply don't exist is, well, childish.

By all means point out where I've ever done that.
53 posted on 10/04/2005 1:44:19 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
So, because YOU have had a good experience with XP, my bad experience is worthless???

Lighten up Francis. Did I say that?

It is rock solid, I know state departments that are running XP and office and they're having very few problems.

If you're having so many problems, maybe you should start checking your hardware or more likely, there's a piece of software that isn't Xp compatible but you do know you can tell software to run in compatability mode, right? You've got your choices of '95, 98, NT 4.0 and 2000.

54 posted on 10/04/2005 2:01:22 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Bush2000
Because I wasn't referring to mid range machines.

From my post #35: As usual you a re clueless to the midrange / mainframe market and the ROI and TCO figures - but here's a clue - any MS configuaration that could, in theory, satisfy the same needs (uptime, transaction speed, etc...) exceeds the costs of the midrange mainframe systems by exponential figures.....

Selectively chosing arguments??

YOU claimed "And the cost of actually maintaining that mainframe crap is astronomical..." in reference to "90% of corporate data is still in IMS and performing rings around anything MS could do. DB2 has more new development (that actually work in production) than SQLServer." By implication you claim that the "MS" Cost is not "astronomical" for comparable level of service / quality - PROVE IT!

By all means point out where I've ever done that.

See above and just about every post where you claim that MS is better than (fill in whatever OS / Application you desire) -

55 posted on 10/04/2005 2:06:09 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

uhhh, where do I chime in that my BSOD from NT/XP has become a White Screen of Death under XP Media Center?

Not only that, I can't join a domain. Bastards.


56 posted on 10/04/2005 2:09:53 PM PDT by stevestras
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To: stevestras

You won't get much sympathy here, it's obviously YOUR fault! [/sarcasm]


57 posted on 10/04/2005 2:13:31 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

bttt


58 posted on 10/04/2005 2:49:25 PM PDT by alwaysontheright
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I hate to break up the fun by being on topic.

I'd like to point out that the 'solid' codebase that MS is falling back to is Server 2003. Anything not in Server 2003 that is in XP is getting 'reviewed'.

Which I take as validation of my choice to stay on 2K.

You may now resume you fanboy antics.
59 posted on 10/04/2005 3:05:34 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Bush2000
Do you believe that there is no place in the computing environment for mainframes?

Yes, absolutely. In legacy maintenance-only systems. But there are far better alternatives for new development.

For years I've been seening folks come out with these "death of the mainframe" claims, and yet they continue to be wrong. There are applications that neither minicomputers, PeeCees, nor Beowulf clusters of commodity hardware can touch for any amount of money. If you need real 99999+ availability on a box with massive disk bandwidth among other things, you're just not going to get it with anything but systems designed from the ground up to meet the desired requirements.

To even come close to claiming 5-9 reliability on anything but the most expensive minicomputers, you have to be living in a dream world.

Sure, in raw computational horsepower for special types of problems that benefit from hightly parallel computation, a cluster of inexpensive boxes is a fine solution. If you need a system that can massage and manage multi-terabyte databases, a glorified desktop box just won't do the job.

There are valid business uses for all classes of computers, because each fills a specific type of need. (These roles shift and change a bit over time though as the tech advances.) To say otherwise is to display ignorance.

60 posted on 10/04/2005 3:09:37 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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