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Letter on American Spectator website
American Spectator website ^ | October 3, 2005 | Jackson

Posted on 10/03/2005 11:11:34 PM PDT by sine_nomine

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To: nopardons
The disgusting truth, is that many on FR are not Conservatives at all, are fair weather friends, have no remembrance of recent FACTUAL history, have mythographized Reagan beyond all recognition ( he fought the COLD WAR all alone, he fought it for decades, when he wasn't president for even one full decade? ), and are the same people who, if Reagan were president today, would be calling him a RINO, or much worse.

That seems to be a pretty accurate group of assessments. At one time, I thought the 1%ers had mostly gotten banned or had left FR in a huff, but I see now that they changed names, invited their friends and transformed Ronald Reagan into some sort of pre-incarnate Pat Buchanan.

At least they've been flushed out of the weeds in the past 24 hours.

61 posted on 10/04/2005 3:03:50 AM PDT by niteowl77 (A soldier's dad once again.)
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To: taxesareforever
That term went out the window when Bush was elected.

And this is President Bush's fault ..... how?

62 posted on 10/04/2005 5:05:45 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: raynearhood

Thanks but GW still isn't much of a conservative once you omit the War on Terror.


63 posted on 10/04/2005 5:17:48 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: msnimje

Hey...there are conservative Democrats who have made the official jump to the conservative camp...I spent some time on the dark side in the late 80's before planting my feet firmly in the GOP camp...and ask anyone who knows me, I am as rightwing as they come...and proof that a few missteps along the way do not define us completely....


64 posted on 10/04/2005 5:28:20 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (It's all about the swagger......)
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To: nopardons

" Reagan did nothing to halt terrorism. He pulled us out of Lebanon; remember?"

He bombed libya, remember?

" The disgusting truth, is that many on FR are not Conservatives at all, are fair weather friends, "

The truth is that many here on FR value party over principle and are complete hypocrites in many cases.

The ultimate test is simple: Would you support the same things GWB has done if they were done by Clinton?

If people respond 'yes', then they're likely liars or aren't really conservatives.. If they respond 'no', then they're just hypocrites.

Reagan was by no means perfect, but he was far better than GWB has shown him self to be.


65 posted on 10/04/2005 9:46:38 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Justanobody

Please, do I have to draw a picture? Who controls the executive and legislative branches of the federal government? Republicans.


66 posted on 10/04/2005 9:59:36 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
I am as rightwing as they come...and proof that a few missteps along the way do not define us completely....

What we cannot have on the Supreme Court is someone who is wishy washy in what they believe. That is Sandra Day O'Connor.
We do not need someone who is easily influenced by whatever person she is dealing with. What if she becomes mesmerized by Darth Vader Ginsberg?

I am not saying I think Meirs is going to do that, but can we afford to waste this rare chance on someone with so many questions?

67 posted on 10/04/2005 11:51:43 AM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: msnimje

I agree to more than a little trepidation...but I want to learn more before I either take a comfortable breath or start to panic.

Like many here, I wish that W had put forth a full on, no doubt about it Scalia type nominee...I frankly, after handing him a second election, and not thrilled to have to wonder and guess at the leanings of his choices...we won the right to not have to do that and I am certain that a Madame Hilary would make no such subtle moves..

Having said that, I also think that W has been stealth and politically shrewd many times, sometimes when I didn't even realize it....so I am going to get out the paper bag and breath deeply until I know a little more.


68 posted on 10/04/2005 12:15:53 PM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (It's all about the swagger......)
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To: dawn53

Prove to the Bush voters, backers and supporters that he indeed named a Scalia/Thomas like nominee, which is what he promised.


69 posted on 10/04/2005 12:26:14 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: edskid
Thank you!

It's so nice to see a fellow "old timer", who remembers what things were like and can see clearly what things are now; none of it "pretty" and all of it troubling.

70 posted on 10/04/2005 1:06:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: flashbunny
The truth is, that the hackneyed "principles" shtick, is the last gasp, used by fringers and the purists who would rather snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Yes, Reagan had Libya bombed. That was just slightly better than when Clinton bombed an empty al Qaeda camp. He did less than nothing about the attack of our troops in Lebanon.

Hmmmmmm...you weren't happy/didn't support it when Clinton ( after two times turning it down ) went for the welfare cuts and a balanced budget?

You are the hypocrite. You are spinning so much, that it's a wonder you aren't dizzy.

I really hate posting Reagan's warts, but making him into some demi-god, so that you can smear President Bush, is just disgusting! And if you place the list of what President Bush has accomplished, that Southack has on his personal page and has posted all over FR, against Reagan's accomplishments, President Bush is Reagan's equal or better.

For a liar and a hypocrite...........look into the nearest mirror.

71 posted on 10/04/2005 1:16:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Artemis Webb
[ George Bush is a conservative. ]

True.. the word means "same old, same old"..
And the "old" is democrat party government largess for at least sixty years(or eighty)..
I think, You've nailed it..

72 posted on 10/04/2005 1:22:47 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: nopardons
"Hmmmmmm...you weren't happy/didn't support it when Clinton ( after two times turning it down ) went for the welfare cuts and a balanced budget?"

When he did that, yes, of course those were good things. Perfect? No. But moves in the right direction.

That's what the issue is, and you don't seem to be able to comprehend it: You support or deride a politician based on their ACTIONS, not what party they belong to or what they claim their positions are. It is WHAT THEY DO that matters!

" For a liar and a hypocrite...........look into the nearest mirror."

Thanks for a nearly incomprehensible spiel recycled from my previous posts, put forth by you completely devoid of context, facts, or logic.
73 posted on 10/04/2005 2:20:08 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny
Obviously, you never took any classes in logic or reason.

I showed you, with the Clinton examples, that your post was stunningly absurd; yet you not only fell into the trap, but then went back to being illogical and flaming me to boot.

If anyone here doesn't understand...it is you.

You keep changing the issue and claiming to be constant. Go read your own posts, since it appears that you have no idea, from posting them, to replying to the refutations, what you previously said.

According to you, Reagan could do NO wrong. When the facts are posted, you change the topic;yet again. And them you have the gall to call others liars and hypocrites. LOL

You're all emotion, no thinking, and silly.

If and when you can manage to calm down, get back to me. Otherwise, you're a waste of bandwidth and time.

74 posted on 10/04/2005 2:28:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
uh, ok, nice act.

"I showed you, with the Clinton examples, that your post was stunningly absurd; yet you not only fell into the trap, but then went back to being illogical and flaming me to boot."

Yes, you certainly trapped me, wiley coyote, super genius. Such a stunning trap, I'm surprised you didn't need the assistance of the A-Team to help you set it up.

I've never changed the issue. You just seem to be trolling.

The main crux of my argument has always been that you support the principles, not the party. If your party goes against your principles, you need to speak up.

I swear, you may need to check your meds, because what you've been typing has no basis in reality.
75 posted on 10/04/2005 2:32:04 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny
"Trolling"? "Check your meds"?

More of your oh so insightful, thoughtful, "factual" ( >B>NOT ), well reasoned post, I see. LOL

You are the lightweight,my dear.

76 posted on 10/04/2005 3:13:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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