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To: nickcarraway

As a liberal, I gotta say that Bush's play to fire-breathing social conservatives has always rung kinda false. He's never really demonstrated social conservative values in his real life. He isn't serious about going to church (though he is very serious about his prayer), Laura was (or more likely is) Pro-Choice, the kids are free-thinkers, etc.
and what ever happened to the Marriage Amendment?

Miers will be like O'Connor: a quiet reasonable conservative who makes conservatives look good to the rest of the country and doesn't do anything to hurt the R's in 2006. The Dem's will be happy to give her a chance and it'll make the middle feel a lot better about the Republicans than they have lately.

I feel sorry for people who fell for the whole Scalia/Thomas line. That was a lie. But this will probably help to unify the nation for some rough patches that lie ahead.


204 posted on 10/03/2005 9:14:54 AM PDT by harris33 (Freedom means freedom for everybody)
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To: harris33
and what ever happened to the Marriage Amendment?

That's a good clue to what this administration is about: The Marriage Amendment was rushed to a vote in the Senate too quickly, before its proponents had a chance to build support for it, because Rove and company wanted to run ads saying that Kerry and Edwards voted against protecting marriage from the homos. Well, whoops, there were only 48 votes for the Amendment, so two democrats got to stay home and not vote against it, and you know which two got that privilege. And now, oddly enough, the Amendment has evaporated completely. This gives away the game -- it was never sincere. Just a bone to throw to a restive base during a close election.

Another classic issue that they are not sincere about is the flag-burning amendment. Just as it looked like it would pass the Senate, and then the States, Sen. Mitch McConnell (Tobacco-R) switches his vote and gives a pious speech in favor of freedom of speech.

Abortion too, I am afraid to say, is also just a wedge issue to these people. It keeps the conservatives coming out to vote. But you can be absolutely certain it will never pass. This would be a disaster politically. There were plenty of people who voted for Bush who would never have voted for him if they thought Roe v. Wade would be overturned. Everyone is opposed to abortion but want it legal just in case their 14-year-old daughter gets pregnant, or their sister gets raped. (How many times have you heard a politician say they're against abortion "except in cases of rape or incest"? The only argument against abortion is that it is murder and it's just as much a murder in cases of rape or incest. The Republican leadership is unclear on the concept or else entirely insincere on this issue.)

226 posted on 10/03/2005 10:26:40 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: harris33; onyx; ninenot; sittnick; nickcarraway; Mo1
The sooner that abortionist witch (sp.?) and phony: Sandra Day O'Connor is off the bench and swept into the dustbin of history the better. If that makes pro-abortion and pro-homosexual and pro-affirmative action people "feel" less comfortable with the GOP, tooooooo baaaaaaadddd! O'Connor was sold to Reagan by lies produced by James Baker's flunkies who thought it was a bright idea to name a pretty blonde to SCOTUS and that abortion lies were a small and verrrrrry temporary price to pay. As soon as Reagan retired Sandy baby reverted to being the modern Margaret Sanger that she always had been as a state legislator in Arizona where she was Planned Barrenhood's main spokesthing.

And I am willing to take Dubya's word for his nominees until THEY prove unworthy. I would have preferred Janice Rogers Brown or probably ten other potential nominees but Dubya was elected. I wasn't.

Anyone who thinks that GOP senators are going to torpedo Miers (without some major unforeseen development before the vote), that the Democrats will try but fail to save her, and that Dubya (now chastened) will nominate and see confirmed Attila the Judge who will right every wrong we have ever suffered must be using awfully effective hallucinogens.

The woman is apparently a strong Evangelical. I am Roman Catholic but her faith as a nominee works for me, particularly on the life issues. She is not going to decide by what means we may be saved: grace, Scripture, faith (each somehow alone) or three yards and a cloud of dust until the moment of death as we Catholics may see it. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Let's not be foolish as so many here are dying to be.

She has never married which is what probably bothers some folks here. Yet each of us has known perfectly respectable folks who never married (Souter is certainly not one of them). There is an awful lot of purely disingenuous BS being posted against her.

Dubya's momma is undoubtedly more pro-death than Laura but I want both on my side when the switchblades are opened in the alleyway and the fight for the rest of civilization begins. The mutual enemy will be Ted the Swimmer, Biden the Prevaricating image of Neil Kinnock, Schmuckie Chewmer, Dick Eddie Haskell Turban, Madame Arkansas Antichrist, BaaBaa Boxer, et al., not Dubya.

233 posted on 10/03/2005 11:48:03 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: harris33

Bush lied


248 posted on 10/03/2005 1:46:19 PM PDT by johnb838 (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. -- AuH2O)
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