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The New Criterion ^ | 10/2005 | Roger Kimball

Posted on 10/02/2005 5:52:50 PM PDT by finnman69

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It's rare to read such an eloquent and thorough verbal dismantling of the puffed up NY Slimes.
1 posted on 10/02/2005 5:52:52 PM PDT by finnman69
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True, but I would rather call them bathhouse boys and be done with it.


2 posted on 10/02/2005 5:59:50 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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I don't doubt that this statement (below) from the reviewer is accurate regarding the depraved self-destruction of "American liberalism" in the past 30+ years, but the following is hardly any sort of positive recommendation for any self-respecting piece of 'art' that pretends to be more than the latest foolish DNC talking points:

"But what is truly striking about the piece is that the politics Mr. Jones has in the past fought so fiercely to express sit squarely in the mainstream of American liberalism. “Blind Date” is in many ways the sort of composition that might have sprung from the forces of the Democratic National Committee were they inclined to think in pas de deux and counterpoint. Had Mr. Jones wanted a more literal title, he might have considered “Dancing for Howard Dean.”
3 posted on 10/02/2005 6:03:04 PM PDT by Enchante (Would you trust YOUR life to Mayor Nagin or Governor Blankhead?)
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When a great newspaper’s front page is indistinguishable from its editorial page, and its editorial page is indistinguishable from a transcript of a Democratic Party rally, journalistic decay is a certainty.
4 posted on 10/02/2005 6:03:08 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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And who would deny the label “poststructuralist” to his reasoning: “‘Swan Lake,’ he enjoys pointing out, was conceived to delight the aristocracy.” Oh, we see: The aristocracy, i.e., the bad guys.

Ironic, isn't it, that the aristocracy in this country, those who views Mr. Jones' work, is uniformly of his own political bent?

5 posted on 10/02/2005 6:11:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar...

Sorry... couldn't resist the Python reference.

6 posted on 10/02/2005 6:21:39 PM PDT by JAWs
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I didn't catch the Dorothy Parker/Marie of Roumania reference, so I looked it up. It's a reference to those who willfully delude themselves:

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Roumania.

7 posted on 10/02/2005 6:31:43 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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It may well place him squarely in the mainstream of the Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Democracy Now crowd. That, thank heavens, is a far cry from the “the mainstream of American liberalism.” Surely there are editors left at the Times who know this?

No, Mr. Kimball, I'm afraid there aren't.

The New York Times is too deep into moonbatism to recognize, much less represent, the "mainstream of American liberalism".

8 posted on 10/02/2005 6:39:10 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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Dorothy Parker had something to say.

Bill T. Jones is a liberal loon.

One is cultured, the other merely political.

9 posted on 10/02/2005 6:44:02 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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I had the pleasure of having dinner with Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball several times back in the early 90s.

Hilton Kramer was brilliant and I had the impression that although Roger Kimball was his assistant, and tended to act the role of Kramer's straight man, possibly he was even more brilliant. I don't mean to knock Kramer when I say so, simply to praise Kimball.

Kramer left the New York Times at the moment they started going overboard for pop art, and wisely so. What Kimball says here is dismally true: the New York Times's culture section is just as bad, if not worse, than its editorial pages or its front page. Pinch Sulzberger is not only a lunatic leftist; he's a small-minded leftist with very few ideas and a complete lack of artistic taste or moral seriousness. The newspaper he has taken down into the gutter reflects it.


10 posted on 10/02/2005 6:50:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I thought my vocabulary was sufficient for this sort of thing. Wrong. There're words in there I've not seen before.


11 posted on 10/02/2005 7:13:08 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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"It’s a mug’s game, laughable in one sense but also a sad, weary-making, and depressing portent."

Only if you're a Lib, Roger. Otherwise, it's time to open another vintage bottle of Schadenfraude!

12 posted on 10/02/2005 7:45:27 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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"Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar..."

Who could think you under the table....

(bump for a later read)


13 posted on 10/02/2005 8:05:06 PM PDT by jocon307
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Cultural demise is not an event. It is a process.

That today's egregious flatulence is smellier than the day before is certain to be true; and tomorrow will be worse.

There are no standards to decadence, only the breathless plummet into oblivion.


14 posted on 10/02/2005 8:23:37 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: finnman69

ping for later.


15 posted on 10/02/2005 8:29:09 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: okie01
An arguable point about Parker, when one considers that her three most enduringly memorable quotes are:

'Men never make passes at girls who wear glasses'

'I must get out of these wet clothes and into a dry martini' (she was an unfortunately extreme alcoholic)

'Oh, G-d, what fresh hell is this?' (remarked to friends present, when her doorbell rang).

It's worth noting, too, that her heyday in the famed (I prefer 'infamous', btw) Algonquin Club was marked by the bulk of the members being, generally, avowed Marxists.

16 posted on 10/02/2005 8:47:05 PM PDT by SAJ
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You left off two of my favorites...

This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.

That would be a good thing for them to cut on my tombstone: Wherever she went, including here, it was against her better judgment.

Still, I'll take Dorothy Parker over Mo Dowd. Every time.

17 posted on 10/02/2005 8:57:50 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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And Lichtenstein was a beery swine,
Who was very rarely stable.

Ohhhh, there's nothin Neitzche couldnt teach ya
bout the raisin of the wrist.

Socretes himself was permanently pissed.....


18 posted on 10/02/2005 9:06:08 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Dont you dare question my patriotism")
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There's nothing Nietszche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist,
Socrates himself was per-man-en-tly pissed...

God love 'em. If it weren't for pretentious Manhattanites the art world would have to exist on merit.

It'd starve.

19 posted on 10/02/2005 9:10:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Yep, good ones!

Comparing Parker, no matter her personal shortcomings, to Dowd must be something along the lines of comparing Shakespeare to Lillian Hellmann. Parker did have an excellent command of the language, and was not infrequently very witty, and had a good ear for an aphorism. Dowd seems unable to push a noun against a verb except to express resentment about something, anything.

20 posted on 10/02/2005 9:20:27 PM PDT by SAJ
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