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Supreme Court: President owes us a moderate
charleston w.v. sunday gazettemail ^ | Oct 1 05 | susanna rodell

Posted on 10/01/2005 11:10:50 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
Frankly, at this point in his presidency, Bush ... needs to find a true moderate, and a moderate woman would be ideal. Both politically and morally, it’s the right thing to do.

Suzanna Rodell and her friends need to elect a true moderate to the presidency, before asking a president voted in by a conservative constituency to change his stripes for her beliefs, or supposing that she knows what he needs. It's the right thing to do.

21 posted on 10/01/2005 11:26:48 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: All

Both Jay Seculo and Mark Levin strongly support Judge Roberts.

Instead of worrying, say a prayer and contact the president.

president@whitehouse.gov

Put you main thought in the subject line.


22 posted on 10/01/2005 11:26:49 PM PDT by Sun (NOW is the time to contact President Bush; tell him to pick a strict Constructionalist, 202-456-1111)
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To: churchillbuff
Arrogance. These people can't win elections and they want the President to appoint a liberal for them? ROFL! They're seriously delusional!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
23 posted on 10/01/2005 11:27:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: churchillbuff

The President doesn't owe them anything they didn't vote for him. Ever eat moderate ice cream? Ever have moderate sex? This moderate stuff is just crap anyway. It's the common tactic of liberals to couch themselves so that anyone who doesn't agree with them is extreme. I wouldn't even play the game. I'd tell them to go home and play with their bloody coathangers.


24 posted on 10/01/2005 11:28:07 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Ted Kennedy "The war in Iraq has become a war against the American occupation.")
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To: Lancey Howard
Yeah, pleasing mainstream Democrats has to be a Bush priority. Okay.

Yeah, it's galling. The Democrats have already said they'll filibuster the next one, yet they don't know who the next nominee will be.

25 posted on 10/01/2005 11:28:54 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: churchillbuff
President owes us a moderate

WRONG! Bush doesn't owe the liberals anything. Elections have consequences. Bush won. HE gets to pick the nominee, not the liberals, not the press. Here's hoping Bush nominates another conservative just like Roberts that Ted Kennedy and Chucky Schumer can't filibuster.

26 posted on 10/01/2005 11:29:35 PM PDT by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: rdb3
You are troubled by anything President Bush does. And you know it.""

He's given conservatives like me a lot to be troubled about, that's true. Spending increases more than under Clinton; education boondoggles; an FDR program proposed for New Orleans; campaign finance assault on free speech; wide open borders; and failure to give us a certified conservative (as he promised) for the Supreme Court.

If he nominates Janice Brown this time, I'll be the first to applaud. But if he nominates another candidate with no discernable views -- again breaking his promise to give us a Scalia or Thomas -- yes, I'll be troubled. That's the problem with having principles, you have to judge politicians by the standard of those principles. It meanse I can't be a knee-jerk cheerleader for Bush or any politician. I have to judge them by what they do, not by the R after their name. So I get a lot of grief from the knee-jerk Bush cheerleaders on FR, the folks who automatically say that anything he does is the "conservative" thing to do -- even when it's really a liberal position, or at best a disappointing squishy move, like the Roberts nomination.

27 posted on 10/01/2005 11:31:10 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I happen to believe that Roberts is a stealth ultra-right conservative.

He was extremely convincing when he discussed "judicial process" and how the first and most important part of the process is to make absolutely certain that there is a strong and certain Constitutional basis for a case to even be heard by the Court.

I have a feeling that the Court may be considerably less busy in the future, and that's a good thing.

28 posted on 10/01/2005 11:33:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: goldstategop
they want the President to appoint a liberal for them? ""

To be fair, she wants him to appoint a "moderate." I wish I could be confident that Bush won't oblige her, but he seems a lot more concerned about what liberals think of him, than what conservatives think of him --- witness his FDR program for New Orleans.

29 posted on 10/01/2005 11:33:50 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: mysto
Here's hoping Bush nominates another conservative just like Roberts that Ted Kennedy and Chucky Schumer can't filibuster.

If it's a Conservative female minority judge, I'd love to see Fathead and Schmuck filibuster her. Then they can preach to me about "Republicans being 'sexist' and 'racist'" til they're blue in the face.

30 posted on 10/01/2005 11:34:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: churchillbuff; beyond the sea; Toddsterpatriot; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; decal; peyton randolph; ..
[Demon-craps] are on guard

Oh... sure! And we'll fire them all.

Some liberal-mind-driven people use pathetic fallacies to disguise their impotency. These writers attempt in vain to consummate their desire, wielding their residual power through their pen against everything that is morally right, in short... against all conservatives.

31 posted on 10/01/2005 11:38:21 PM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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I happen to believe that Roberts is a stealth ultra-right conservative."""

Hope you're right. What worries me is that his vague generalizations sounded very much like Souter's testimony when he was nominated. He also stressed the importance of judicial restraint - and of precedent and stare decisis. Souter actually had a more conservative record than Roberts. Roberts helped out a radical gay rights lawsuit (the Colorado case); Souter had never been involved in anything like that. And Roberts represented the anti-property-rights side in the Lake Tahoe lawsuit that ended up being a massive defeat for property rights. Also, Roberts in his hearings didn't sound at all troubled with the Kelo decision that gave free reign to eminent domain. One thing he is not: an open, avowed, certified conservative like Scalia or Thomas. Both of them were on-the-record hard-core conservatives when they were nomninated. There are plenty of judges who have similar records now, but Bush went for a mystery candidate instead (the way his dad did with Souter). I hope it turns out better than Souter did, but neither you nor I can be sure at this point -- and that's the problem.

32 posted on 10/01/2005 11:38:37 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Why does the President OWE them a moderate?
As a reward for their vote for John Kerry?
33 posted on 10/01/2005 11:42:23 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: churchillbuff
I hope it turns out better than Souter did, but neither you nor I can be sure at this point -- and that's the problem.

Hold up. If what you say here is true, then why are you posting as though you have absolutely no doubt that Roberts is less than a Scalia or a Thomas? Don't be schizophrenic, please. You can't have it both ways.

You are terribly sure that Roberts is a terrible choice, now you say you hope he's not? If so, why are you consistenly posting where he is affirmatively not a good choice?

Hmmm....


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34 posted on 10/01/2005 11:44:24 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: msnimje
Right, My Friend.

Did You Know That John Kerry Served in Vietnam?

35 posted on 10/01/2005 11:44:42 PM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: churchillbuff

Wasn't Scalia confirmed 98-0? I'll have to do some more reading, but it seems to be that he was a "stealth" candidate to some degree. Thomas was as well, or else he wouldn't have made it past the Dem senate. He was cruising, relatively speaking, before the Anita Hill deal.

6 Republicans voted against Bork. An open, fiery conservative isn't quite likely to get confirmed even if we get an up or down vote.

I assume Specter's chairmanship will hold him to vote yes but there are plenty of RINOs in the senate.


36 posted on 10/01/2005 11:47:07 PM PDT by zendari
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To: rdb3
why are you posting as though you have absolutely no doubt that Roberts is less than a Scalia or a Thomas? """

Because both of them were known, vocal, hard-line conservatives WHEN THEY WERE NOMINATED. There was no mystery about their views, the way there is about Roberts' views. If Bush had fulfilled his promise to nominate a Scalia or Thomas, he would have nominated a candidate who -- like them -- was a clear, unmistakable right winger, somebody whose views are open, on the record and unmistakable. A Luttig, a Janice Brown, an Edith Jones -- not a "mystery meat" candidate who says things so vague that everybody (from you on the right to this editorial writer on the left) can agree with.

37 posted on 10/01/2005 11:49:15 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-cass24sep24,0,983371.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Invoking the Clinton Precedent

"To refresh our memories, President Clinton had a chance to make two appointments to the Supreme Court. The first came with the retirement of Justice Byron White, a conservative who cast one of the two votes against Roe vs. Wade. And just one year before his retirement, White, joining three other justices, dissented in the 5-4 decision in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania vs. Casey, which reaffirmed the basic holding in Roe.

With the court so closely divided, what did Clinton do to preserve the balance? Did he replace White with another conservative, someone equally clear that there is no constitutional protection for abortion? He chose the former general counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union, a leading liberal law scholar whose special interest was women's rights: Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Any question how close she was going to be to White?

The president did what presidents always do. He picked someone he thought would be a good justice according to his own views. He didn't worry about preserving the balance on the court, and he certainly didn't worry about maintaining the court's division over abortion."


38 posted on 10/01/2005 11:50:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: churchillbuff; BigSkyFreeper

I doubt that he will nominate another Catholic --- so that would seem to eliminate Gonzales and a majority of hispanics.

Even though Kennedy is Catholic, but doesn't vote like a Catholic, the court already has Scalia, Thomas and Roberts in the Catholic column.

Best to look closely at the Evangelic names being bantered around...

Can you imagine the wrath that Schumer etal. would get from the religious right? Oh boy.


39 posted on 10/01/2005 11:51:20 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: zendari
I'll have to do some more reading, but it seems to be that he was a "stealth" candidate to some degree. """

You better do some more reading, because he was not in any way a stealth candidate. He was a U of Chicago law professor -who had published many law articles of hard-right persuasion, and had voted accordingly as a federal appeals judge. He was well-known as one of the most conservative members of the legal community. The big vote for him was because he was the first Italian ever nominated.

40 posted on 10/01/2005 11:51:33 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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