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That Famous Equation and You
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/opinion/30greene.html ^
| September 30, 2005
| BRIAN GREENE
Posted on 10/01/2005 8:10:18 PM PDT by GummyIII
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Excellent explanation of Einstein's derivation of relativity and the relation between energy and mass.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:10:21 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
To: PatrickHenry
To: longshadow
I'm not a nerd...I'm a geek-a-billy. Humph! ;-)
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:17:39 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: GummyIII
I'm going to respond to this solely for the purpose of finding this tomorrow morning.
I have absolutely no intention of revisiting the theory of relativity approximately 15 minutes before I'm hitting the mattress.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:17:57 PM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: Dog Gone
I know...it'll keep you awake all night. Sleep well.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:19:02 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: GummyIII
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:19:47 PM PDT
by
Dark Skies
("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
To: GummyIII
When you twist up a spring, it gets heavier. Cool.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:20:16 PM PDT
by
The Red Zone
(Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
To: GummyIII
My wife, a lawyer, just put me the question "Why is Enstein so famous?" And I'm still trying to figure out where to start from....
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:20:23 PM PDT
by
voletti
(For God, Prez and country....)
To: Dog Gone
I'm going to read it just so I can dream about it. Maybe it will make sense to me then.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:20:50 PM PDT
by
SamAdams76
(What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
To: GummyIII
This isn't true. When you drive your car, E = mc² is at work. As the engine burns gasoline to produce energy in the form of motion, it does so by converting some of the gasoline's mass into energy, in accord with Einstein's formula. When you use your MP3 player, E = mc² is at work. As the player drains the battery to produce energy in the form of sound waves, it does so by converting some of the battery's mass into energy, as dictated by Einstein's formula.
I don't believe this is true.
Those are examples of energy changing form - from chemical to kinetic and from stored electrical to sound energy.
The energies are in addition to the rest state energy of e=mc^2 no matter to energy conversion required. If he wanted an every day example he could have used glowing dials in a tritium watch or a Geiger counter finding background radiation in a concrete building.
On the other hand, the guy is a professor of physics so maybe I am missing something.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:21:11 PM PDT
by
gondramB
( We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.)
To: voletti
Oh oh....since I'm female, let me suggest you don't laugh.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:22:57 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: GummyIII
To: SamAdams76
There is something about learning just before sleeping. It helps in the retention, for some strange reason.
But I'm a morning person. I'm not in the mood to study at this time of night. See my temporary tagline.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:25:50 PM PDT
by
Dog Gone
(Not responsible for posts made after 10 pm CDT)
To: GummyIII
Did you try to place it in the editorial sidebar?
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:28:41 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: Dog Gone
"There is something about learning just before sleeping. It helps in the retention, for some strange reason."
Yeah, well, the flip side is I'm now staying up researching... I'm convinced the professor is wrong on several points.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:29:24 PM PDT
by
gondramB
( We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.)
To: neverdem
Since I seldom post, I'm not sure...ahem. Perhaps a FRmail would help?
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:29:54 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: gondramB
Those are examples of energy changing form - from chemical to kinetic and from stored electrical to sound energy. The exhaust gases have a very slightly smaller mass than the incoming air and fuel did (chemical). The car gains a very tiny amount of mass as it speeds up (kinetic). Because of that gargantuan c2 factor (speed of light squared) the mass lost or gained is far below the threshold of the ability of ordinary equipment to detect.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:31:15 PM PDT
by
The Red Zone
(Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
To: GummyIII

WTF
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:31:51 PM PDT
by
Old Seadog
(Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
To: gondramB
Those are examples of energy changing form - from chemical to kinetic and from stored electrical to sound energy. The "stored" energy manifests itself in the unrealized (potential) state as a tiny increase in the mass of the object in which it resides, compared to the masses of the constituent atoms making up the material. Combustion releases the "stored" chemical energy in the form of heat. If you compare the masses of all the combustion by-products to the original mass of the chemicals before combustion, some mass is missing, the amount missing is exactly equal to the mass equivalent to the energy released by the combustion process, as calculated by the formula e=mc2.
To: GummyIII
Oops. I thought this was the baseball thread discussing David Eckstein. Pardon me.
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posted on
10/01/2005 8:35:42 PM PDT
by
speedy
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