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Trojan rides in on unpatched Office flaw
Cnet News ^ | 09/30/2005 | Joris Evers

Posted on 10/01/2005 6:49:31 AM PDT by Panerai

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To: Petronski

Any lock can be picked, just like all software has holes. In fact, there are more holes in Unix/Linux products reported every single week.

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB05-271.html





21 posted on 10/01/2005 6:43:41 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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I'm not going to bicker semantics with you because it's pointless.

Any lock can be picked, but a defective lock is easier to break than one that works as designed. I didn't mention Linux and I don't use it.


22 posted on 10/01/2005 6:50:26 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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Any lock can be picked, but a defective lock is easier to break than one that works as designed.

Well according to that link from US-Cert, Unix/Linux products are about 10x more defective.

23 posted on 10/01/2005 7:47:18 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Well according to that link from US-Cert, Unix/Linux products are about 10x more defective.

Yawn. Irrelevant to my point.

Microsoft AND the hackers are to blame for any damage resulting from this flaw.

24 posted on 10/01/2005 7:52:32 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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I don't think lock companies are typically liable when they're picked by professional thieves. Trying to insist you'd just as quickly condemn the platforms with 10x as many holes is laughable too. Just what have you supposedly added to this discussion that had any actual merit?
25 posted on 10/01/2005 7:59:57 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Just what have you supposedly added to this discussion that had any actual merit?

If a professional thief can open a defective lock, you can be damn sure the maker of the defective lock will be liable.

Trying to insist you'd just as quickly condemn the platforms with 10x as many holes is laughable too.

Never did it.

26 posted on 10/01/2005 8:02:28 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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you can be damn sure the maker of the defective lock will be liable."

Sure not taking your word on it. Proof? Precidence?

Never did it.

I know, everyone else always gets a pass with you guys, no matter how much more "defective" their software is.

27 posted on 10/01/2005 8:06:40 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Yea its not like they have had five months between then and now to fix it right?

reported to Microsoft in April, but the company has yet to provide a fix for the problem.

Oh wait its exactly like that..

28 posted on 10/01/2005 8:08:15 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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It's a narrow fact set, and I don't have precedents. Of course, I don't care whether you believe it or not, and I don't believe I could bring you to understand the principles involved.

I know, everyone else always gets a pass with you guys, no matter how much more "defective" their software is.

"you guys?" Just the one of me here, a Windows user. Sorry to deprive you of the only thing you have to say.

29 posted on 10/01/2005 8:10:18 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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Looks like some hackers named "Hexview" released a hack to the public instead of giving it to the vendor privately so they could patch it prior to working exploits being available.

Does the security of Microsoft products REALLY rely on the charity of hackers to privately report the defects they find in Microsoft software?

Good Lord, it's worse than I thought. I'm glad I don't use the affected product.

30 posted on 10/01/2005 8:12:34 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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Experts estimate the damage of viruses to be in the billions of dollars.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-240112.html?part=msnbc-cnet

Why wasn't Microsoft responsible to pay for any of it? Not even a single penny? Could it be that most rational people rightfully blame the hackers for these attacks? I'd say yes, obviously.


31 posted on 10/01/2005 8:19:19 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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The whole, some hacker did not tell MS first argument might hold weight if this hole was not revealed nearly 6 months ago! Six months to fix a pretty serious bug, should be long enough..


32 posted on 10/01/2005 8:20:58 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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The hackers should have privately submitted it, so that users weren't exposed. You'd obviously rather lob rotten tomatoes at one of the victims - in this case Microsoft - instead.


33 posted on 10/01/2005 8:21:04 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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. . . one of the victims - in this case Microsoft . . .

LOL

34 posted on 10/01/2005 8:27:08 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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They are a victim, which is why they've never been held liable for any of these damages, your whines about it notwithstanding.


35 posted on 10/01/2005 8:37:13 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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They are a victim...

The wahhhhhhmbulance will be by shortly.

36 posted on 10/01/2005 8:38:31 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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You're the whiner, not me. I'm just pointing out the facts, which are, MS isn't liable, and neither are lock companies which was your supposed analogy. The crooks are, which for some reason you seem very interested in protecting.


37 posted on 10/01/2005 8:45:11 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Things must be getting rough in Redmond. You Microsoft lackeys are doing less strutting these days and more whining.

Too bad so sad.


38 posted on 10/01/2005 8:46:21 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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Pointing out what's right and what's wrong isn't whining. Whining is what you do when it's demonstrated, which is all you've done.


39 posted on 10/01/2005 9:08:28 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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LOL


40 posted on 10/01/2005 9:09:44 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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