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Delegation divided on immigration (Kolbe/McCain ~vs~ J.D. Hayworth's versions of immigration reform)
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Posted on 09/30/2005 5:24:56 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

Delegation divided on immigration

WASHINGTON When Congress takes up immigration reform next month, Arizona lawmakers will be at the forefront of the debate.There are major differences in the proposals put forward by the state's delegation.

Twin bills introduced by Arizona Republicans Jim Kolbe and Senator John McCain would create a guest worker program and help illegal residents get legal status.

On the other side, Congressman J.D. Hayworth advocates rigorous border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers.

In the middle is Senator Jon Kyl. He's pushing a bill that would give illegal immigrants five years to leave the country, though they could return through legal channels.

Arizona is the nation's busiest point for illegal border crossings.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.



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Hayworth Introduces 'Enforcement First' Immigration Reform Bill - Proposes Zero Tolerance

WASHINGTON- U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth today introduced sweeping legislation containing core conservative principles that should guide the national effort to confront illegal immigration.

The Hayworth bill, a 115-page document incorporating new proposals authored by the Arizona Republican and a host of anti-illegal immigration measures offered by House conservatives, takes an enforcement first approach and rejects guest worker plans.


1 posted on 09/30/2005 5:25:05 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; ...
The sides are shaping up - lines are being drawn . .

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On the other side, Congressman J.D. Hayworth advocates rigorous border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers.

2 posted on 09/30/2005 5:26:45 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

J.D. Hayworth is Arizona's future. He will be taking McCain's job once McCain is gone.


3 posted on 09/30/2005 5:30:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; Gipper08

Hayworth may have a higher calling than to simply fill John McCains's RINO shoes.


4 posted on 09/30/2005 5:32:48 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

"....Senator Jon Kyl. He's pushing a bill that would give illegal immigrants five years to leave the country, though they could return through legal channels." Anyone else find this humorous? The ILLEGALS who are here ILLEGALLY will have five effing years to obey laws they have already broken? Gee, that should work.


5 posted on 09/30/2005 5:34:38 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Happy2BMe
In the middle is Senator Jon Kyl.

Kyl's bill is not in the "middle". It has no limits on the number of guest workers that could be brought in to displace Americans and depress wages.

It also expects us to believe that the laws will be enforced for a change while the millions of new visas are handed out. Seems we heard that once before back in 1986 and why the only bill to support is Hayworth's.

6 posted on 09/30/2005 5:36:51 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: dynachrome
"....Senator Jon Kyl. He's pushing a bill that would give illegal immigrants five years to leave the country, though they could return through legal channels."

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Anyone who has read a newspaper, turned on a television, gone to a grocery store, mall, or WalMart in the past five years with a half a brain calls this a "smokescreen."

Main Entry: smoke screen
Function: noun
1 : a screen of smoke to hinder enemy observation of a military force, area, or activity
2 : something designed to obscure, confuse, or mislead


7 posted on 09/30/2005 5:39:37 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

My take is that we will have a lot of sturm und drang over Hayworth's bill and the marx-ocrat's bill. Then we will all settle on Kyl's wonderful compromise bill. Lot's of photo ops at the signing. Smokescreen? More like a shroud of lies.


8 posted on 09/30/2005 5:54:19 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: FlingWingFlyer
J.D. Hayworth is Arizona's future. He will be taking McCain's job once McCain is gone.

Cooperation with Ted "Osama, Obama" sealed the deal. Not only is liberalism a mental disorder, but it's a contagious one as well.
9 posted on 09/30/2005 5:54:33 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Congress: Giving away your money like never before.)
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To: Happy2BMe

If there is such a thing as a left-wing Republican McCain is it..........I am a VietNam veteran and I have great respect for McCain and what he went through as a POW but as a senator he scares me


10 posted on 09/30/2005 5:55:58 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Happy2BMe

"introduced by Arizona Republicans Jim Kolbe and Senator John McCain "

calling these two losers Republicans is like calling the moon a dog. The only thing they have in common is howling.


11 posted on 09/30/2005 5:57:59 PM PDT by Zrob (freedom without lies)
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To: Das Outsider

John McCain got the shiite kicked out of him in a North Vietnam prison for five years and the boy's never been the same since.

**** I thank McCain tremendously for his brave service and endurance but he has no business running for president


12 posted on 09/30/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Happy2BMe
advocates rigorous border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers.

How about anchor babies? which will doom any legislation to help the country deal with illegals. Every twelve year old Mexican has an anchor baby which will keep him or her here in America until the merger takes place between the three countries in 2010. So much for window dressing!

13 posted on 09/30/2005 6:04:31 PM PDT by swampfox98 (How American became a nation of traitors: Greed, corrupt politicians and religious leaders.)
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To: dennisw
Your #12.

I agree sir.

14 posted on 09/30/2005 6:07:36 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Das Outsider

Haven't got a clue what you're talkin' about. But, OKAY! I Googled Obama and Hayworth and nothing came up.


15 posted on 09/30/2005 6:23:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Haven't got a clue what you're talkin' about. But, OKAY! I Googled Obama and Hayworth and nothing came up.

Oh! Sorry about that. I figured that you knew.

In speaking of Barack Obama earlier this year, Ted Kennedy accidentally referred to him as "Osama bin...Osama, Obama." Paul Shanklin, Rush's parody guy, followed it with a parody of "La Bamba" with the verse employing Kennedy's little gaffe. Kennedy's slip

I was making reference to McCain-Kennedy.
16 posted on 09/30/2005 6:32:44 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Congress: Giving away your money like never before.)
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To: dynachrome

What does Hayworth's bill propose to do about the 20 million illegals in the country?


17 posted on 09/30/2005 7:30:01 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Unless there is more than a generic "enforce the law" I guess it is to "downsize"(from another thread. Seems to be Tancredo's idea. Meaning attrition,harder to get in,deport the ones caught.) No real solution do I see. Another post here brings up the problem of children born to illegals - instant citizens.


18 posted on 09/30/2005 7:41:57 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Ben Ficklin

Here we go:
"Mark Krekorian wrote the Theory of Attrition as a means of removing

illegals from the US.
In this theory, he acknowledges that the illegals can't be deported for

various reasons. Number 1, there would be economic chaos. Number 2,

America doesn't have the will to deport them.

Instead, thru the normal turnover of illegals, making things more

difficult for them, and enhanced border enforcement, the illegals will

gradually attrite. Couple this with guest worker program whereby guest

workers are brought in to replace the illegals as they gradually leave

and, theoretically, there is a seamless, gradual shift from illegal to

legal.

Krekorian compared this to a corporation downsizing its unneeded

employess by attrition and he entitled the paper he wrote "Downsizing the

Illegals".

In Tancredo's recent reform bill/guest worker plan, he says nothing about

what to do with the illegals. He does say that he will rely on the theory

of attrition and provides a brief mis-explanation of the theory.

In-as-much as Tancredo has stopped calling for deportations and now is

advocating attrition/downsizing, we/you should all get on board.

Downsize the Illegals!"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1494316/posts



19 posted on 09/30/2005 7:46:22 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: dynachrome
When it comes to immigration reform, the core issue is what to do about the 20 million illegals.

Everything else is peripheral.

20 posted on 09/30/2005 8:09:41 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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