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Science and Scripture - 'Intelligent design' theory definitely belongs in biology class
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| September 28, 2005
| Crispin Sartwell
Posted on 09/30/2005 3:33:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Sun
Ridiculous.
There is less than a 1% difference in protein sequence between humans and chimps. The fact that only 20% of proteins are exactly identical is interesting, but is mathematically predicted by Molecular Evolution.
These differences in protein are obviously not enough to account for the phenotypic differences because there is also the DNA sequence that precedes the gene that codes for the protein and controls when it will be turned on or off. There is also the DNA that goes into the leading end and tail end of the messenger RNA, and it controls how long the message will last, where it goes in the cell, and under what conditions it will be translated to protein.
A small difference in a gene that makes a protein that turns on or off other genes is going to make a much larger difference than a structural protein. Thats all your saying with the last part.
Grok?
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posted on
09/30/2005 7:59:29 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't think that "intelligent design" is a scientific theory: It appeals to the supernatural and cannot be empirically tested. The concept of human rights or the moral concepts are not scientific theories either. They cannot be empirically tested.
Gee, the MOST IMPORTANT THINGS in life cannot be empirically tested or scientifically proven. Mankind existed without science for many thousands of years. But without spiritual and moral foundations will not last couple of generations.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:01:51 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
(" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
To: Sun
If you think that theory is an insult you don't know anything about science.
Only 400? I'm not impressed. I know at least 400 scientists myself; good god-fearing people mostly. They all accept that God works in mysterious ways, but that doesn't mean we can't figure out how HIS creation functions.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:02:46 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: A. Pole
But you thought there "was no Science in the Constitution."
Maybe if you actually KNEW the Constitution.
Do you even know the Bible? Or are you one of those who think it is God's message to man, but have never read it?
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:04:44 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: A. Pole
In fact Intelligent design does not appeal to the supernatural. It is entirely scientific and has nothing to do with "creationism." It can be tested by showing whether or not "irreducible complexity" exists in nature, that systems exist which could not have come into being randomly.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:05:12 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: Mylo
The Constitution does not authorize congress to provide for the scientific education of the people.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:07:02 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: Mylo
The Commies liked Lamarkian evolution and rejected Darwin and Mendel. Lamarkian theory was not less scientific than Darwin. Darwin theory (after it got modified later) was superior but not more scientific. And some Lamarkian concepts might be returning (inheritance of acquired properties). Scientific does not mean correct. You can have non-scintific theories which are true, and you can scientific theories which are false.
The Nazi's looked to a man for their authority, not Science.
And what is science if not human invention? While Marxists valued history and economy, Nazis liked biology and evolution.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:07:45 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
(" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't talk to you "Hitlerizer".
But you are correct.
"I see no authorization for this spending in the Constitution" are my favorite Presidential words when explaining a veto; too bad there were only two of them who said it.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:09:25 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: Mylo
Hey don't act like Hitler and I won't call you Hitler.
Are you Pro-life?
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:10:30 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: Mylo
Here's a question for you, "scientist." Does life begin at the moment of conception?
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:12:22 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: A. Pole
Wrong again. Lamarkian evolution wasn't ever a viable theory, it was only valid as a hypothesis in Science because it was falsifiable. Guess what. It was falsified.
The hypothesis never postulated a mechanism, and nothing we know about DNA and genetic inheritance can translate desire and effort into phenotypic differences in successive generations.
There are no Lamarkian concepts that "might" be returning.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:12:45 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Oh, you are scaring me with the scare quotes around Scientist.
I don't talk to you.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:14:39 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: Mylo
If science must be falsifiable, then how can the theory of evolution be falsified, other than showing that irreducible complexity exists in nature?
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:15:30 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: GSlob
And now returning to the Constitution: as some wise judge has once noted, it is not a national suicide pact. [Re:"If they want ID, so be it! If they do not want schools so be it!"]. Just like last ca. 50 years could be called "electronics era", so now we might be entering into "biology/biochemistry era" - and we better have sufficient knowledge base to pursue it. In a technological race there are no silver medals, and the winner takes all. Thus I see an overriding national survival [not even security - survival!] interest in clamping down on ID/creationism in education and producing effective workforce for the tomorrow applications. First I do not think that allowing some creationism or ID in some school districts would weaken the nation. Opposite, it would make it more free, self-governing and stronger. Same way as permitting to voice or teach mistaken views. Hey, I even want views like yours to be freely presented, even in the schools.
As someone said: "If you shut your door to all errors, truth will be shut out"
And it is curious that you put so much stress on ruthless struggle for survival, it reminds me some scientistic ideology from the first half of XX century. Wink, wink.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:16:00 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
(" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't talk to you Tailgummer; because you are a Hitlerizer.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:16:06 PM PDT
by
Mylo
( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
To: Mylo
I knew it. You're a pro-abort. You survival of the fittest types all are.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:16:10 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: Mylo
Are you for pulling feeding tubes from crippled ladies too? I think probably so.
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:18:12 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
To: Mylo
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posted on
09/30/2005 8:18:54 PM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
(Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!)
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