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To: Cephalalgia
I don't think they literally mean between a parent and a child. As I understand it, it works like this:

I realize that wasn't what they mean. I am simply pointing out that it is exactly how it would have to happen.

This would also eliminate their a fossil record for 'transitional forms' problem. The only problem is that no one is going to believe one species giving birth to a different species.

Evolutionists try to portray the 'gaps' in the ToE as being minor when, in reality, they are as wide as the Pacific Ocean. There are no gaps in the fossil record. The fossil record is what it is.

502 posted on 10/02/2005 6:13:57 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
" I realize that wasn't what they mean. I am simply pointing out that it is exactly how it would have to happen."

No, that's just how YOU imagine it would have to happen. Speciation happens within populations, not individuals. The entire population (which has been isolated in one way or another) changes together as allele frequencies shift due to selection pressures. Better alleles will spread and replace less effective ones. The longer the population is isolated from the main population of the species, the higher the probability that members of that isolated population won't be able to have fertile offspring with the main population.


Among the isolated population itself though, the individual variation won't be nearly enough to prevent reproduction of fertile offspring.

We see incipient speciation with rings species. Population A can breed with B, B with C, but A and C can't. If population B dies out, there will be no way for genetic information to pass between A and C. A and C would then become new species, with nothing stopping them from continuing to diverge from their original form.


"This would also eliminate their a fossil record for 'transitional forms' problem. The only problem is that no one is going to believe one species giving birth to a different species."

Good thing no scientists claim they do.

"There are no gaps in the fossil record."

So, you claim that every individual organism, upon death, becomes a part of the fossil record.?
503 posted on 10/02/2005 6:28:47 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: connectthedots
I don't think they literally mean between a parent and a child. As I understand it, it works like this:

I realize that wasn't what they mean. I am simply pointing out that it is exactly how it would have to happen.

Except that's not how it would have to happen. I explained how it could happen as a gradual process involving a single population that was divided and the parts isolated from each other.

This would also eliminate their a fossil record for 'transitional forms' problem. The only problem is that no one is going to believe one species giving birth to a different species.

Of course they wouldn't. It's a ridiculous notion. Fortunately for evo-advocates, it's not necessary for evolution to work (despite what it seems like you're insisting).

Evolutionists try to portray the 'gaps' in the ToE as being minor when, in reality, they are as wide as the Pacific Ocean. There are no gaps in the fossil record. The fossil record is what it is.

Yes, the gaps are huge, because scientists are dealing with timeframes in which literally hundreds of thousands of generations pass between fossil samples. But the gaps are slowly closing with each new discovery.

504 posted on 10/02/2005 6:37:37 PM PDT by Cephalalgia
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