[Louis Foxwell]

Surely if the designer designed us, then he must have a designer that designed him, or we are back to square one.

Ever heard of an uncaused cause?

The issue is that science has pushed the atheist, random assumption to the wall and it does not work any more.

[bobdsmith]

Ever heard of an uncaused cause?

System with parts (A B C) is irreducibly complex

This means system (A B C) has function but any subset of parts does not have function. The argument is that A B C cannot be reached via single steps going through these functionless subsets. True, however:

step 1) D (functional)

step 2) D E (functional)

step 3) D E B (functional)

step 3) D E B C (functional)

step 4) D A B C (functional)

step 5) A B C (functional + IC)

An IC system is reached via gradual single steps where each step is functional.