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To: conserv371
I find that hard to believe.

Be that as it may, the universe is not required to conform to that which we find easy to believe.

If an effect occurs without a cause, than that effect is self-existent.

Exactly.

There is only one effect that I know of that is self-existent--I AM the Beginning and the End.

Well, now you know two things like that. Perhaps we'll find more still ;)

417 posted on 10/01/2005 5:07:05 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

You still have not answered where did the atom come from? Also, an effect without cause means there is no start point of decay since starting point indicates origin. In regards to I AM He goes by another name YAWEH or GOD. So if we build complex machinery we are the most intelligent life in this universe. How do you deal with angels and demons?


514 posted on 10/02/2005 8:15:10 PM PDT by conserv371
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