Posted on 09/30/2005 2:09:51 PM PDT by truthfinder9
Now there is a leap! You must be a Darwinian evolutionist. Able to leap tall cunundrums in a single bound.
The fact that you are willing to put your life in the hands of self-proclaimed experts does not make me an agrarian primitive.
I know experts. I have been an expert. Trust me. You don't want to swallow the experts whole.
So there's no proof one exists, and in fact many of us believe it's impossible, but you want us to work on it anyway?
I have no problem with anyone pursuing it, on their own time.
I believe that a true study of designed vs. undesigned objects would show that simplicity is an aspect of design and that unnecessary complexity is an aspect of evolved objects.
Then I presume it's settled that we're the result of evolution, because the human genome has the biggest collection of garbage you've ever seen.
Exactly in the same way that modern physics - by precluding the explanation that angels push the planets around - is an atheist doctrine.
I don't suppose you're aware that irreducible complexity is a concept agreed upon by Darwinists as well. They just have different views from ID'ers as to whether or not it could have come about through numerous, slight, successive, naturally-occurring alterations of a functional precursor.
you guys are making what philosophers call a "category mistake".
here is no contradictin between the existence of God and the rules of evolution.
evolutionary theory describes things in nature. God is above nature; he created nature. the relationship between God and the laws of evolution is analogous to that between an author and a book.
(i.e., evolution is the result of "really" intelligent design.)
You nailed it.
Do you believe the Big Bang is laughable as well. The whole universe created instaneuosly out of nothing? Sounds reasonable to me. Besides I am sure the scientific community has reams of data supporting the notion of a "natural" Big Bang process.
And you wonder why you evolutionists aren't taken seriously.
The condition of elitism you describe doesn't exist since no one is stopping anyone else from pursuing scientific enquiry and become said expert.
> Your low opinion of your fellow citizens is duly noted.
My low opinion of their knowledge of science, you bet. If you think the average American knows all that much about the physical workings of the universe, much less the principles that guide science, you're dreaming.
> you guys are bedwetting over the idea that creationists make conservatism look bad?
You damned betcha (although it's no more "bedwetting" than when we stood up to the Creationist Hitler and the Lysenkoist Stalin). Americans know little enough about science *now*. Makign superstition officially on par with sceicne woudl be a national *disaster.*
Here's the point. If God created the universe He obviously had a plan. When a Darwinist claims that the universe exists by random chance he is making a claim about the existence of God.
Early evening ping!
> I don't even know what Scientology is
There's a good sign. "I don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin', but I knows I hates it."
I thought we had proof of the holocaust.
Stop lying about what Darwinists claim.
You summed it up very well.
> "Science" ASKS questions ALWAYS and FOREVER. No "scientific" "FACT" is immune to change in accordance with new "SCIENCE".
Yup. And science asked questions, and knocked the legs out from under "Intelligent Design" a century and a half ago.
Give it up already.
Oh no, the sky is falling! How dare ANYONE question Darwin! Especially a trained biologist like myself! Oh dear! Why this is just terrible!
If you can't repeat the test, it's not science.
That's entirely possible. The funny thing (well, one of the many funny things) about ID is that it doesn't seem to have much respect for God^H^H^H "the creator". It assumes that he can't create a self-sustaining system, and instead has to constantly meddle with it to get the right results. Personally, I'd be much more impressed with a creator that tweaked the parameters of the Big Bang just right so that life would arise naturally billions of years later.
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