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To: ninenot
"Really? You have an authoritative proclamation regarding the disposition of the souls of unbaptized infants? Please, share it with us!!"

There are hundreds of links on the subject but here is one that you should find illuminating.
http://www.americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=1647&issueID=365

As far as not eating meat on Friday, it is not about discipline as it is about penance and has been generally left up to local bishops.

http://catholicism.about.com/cs/lent/f/whynomeat04.htm

"Are you really Sinkspur, MM?"

No, I am indeed Markedman, Gunner's Mate Extraordinaire, as in "the Good Lord giveth, and Gunner's Mate's taketh away."
268 posted on 10/03/2005 10:36:16 AM PDT by markedman (Islam = surrender, and we will NEVER surrender!)
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To: markedman; ninenot

MM: You forgot the part from your homepage about being an "Abbie Hoffman Republican." Speaking of eternal weenie roasts, consider the case of Abbie Hoffman.......


272 posted on 10/03/2005 12:06:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: markedman
Q: St. Thomas Aquinas proposes a view that is different from that of St. Augustine. In what way does it change?

Father Gumpel: Indeed. St. Thomas and the Scholastics abandon St. Augustine’s theory that children who are not baptized go to hell, even if the latter is in a mitigated form, and construct an intermediate form, known as “limbo.” It is a theological construction, to explain the situation of human beings who die and are not in heaven.

Q: Has this theory of limbo ever been presented by the Church as a matter of faith?

Father Gumpel: In 1954 I carried out an exhaustive study, in which I examined all the arguments in favor of the thesis expressed by the infallible magisterium done with authority. I studied all the ecumenical councils, and I came to the conclusion that “limbo” is not an obligatory answer.

Found here (the rest of the article is interesting, as well): http://www.ewtn.com/library/Doctrine/ZLIMBO.HTM

You stated that 'Limbo is BS.' I replied that you should cite an authoritative document denying Limbo.

You come back with an article from America, a notoriously unreliable source of "definition" in the Roman Catholic church, in which the author states, clearly, that there IS no definitive answer.

You may state that 'Limbo is BS,' but you're a step further than Zenit's interviewee, who happens to be an expert on the topic.

Try again, this time for target, not range: cite a DEFINITIVE statement with the authority of the Church behind it that abrogates Limbo.

273 posted on 10/03/2005 3:19:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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