[PatrickHenry]

Yesterday's thread: Witness: 'Intelligent Design' doesn't qualify as science [Day 4 of trial in Dover, PA].

[PatrickHenry]

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[Just mythoughts]

"Rendell "believes that (intelligent design) is more than appropriate to be taught in religion classes, but has no room in science classes in public schools," Philips said. "But this is in the court's hands now, and other than his opinion, he has no influence." "

LOL, and some claim there is no politics evolving around evolution. Make those evolutionists proud to be wearing a Rendell supports evolution Tee-shirts.

[VadeRetro]

It shouldn't be about anything but what the preponderance of opinion in science is, but then, ID has already tried to end-run around that by appealing directly to yahoos in school boards around the country.

[keithtoo]

So, Rendell endorses the "...Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"?

Hmmmm....wonder what his non KKK constituents think of this.

[mikeus_maximus]

Amazing how he's an expert on so many things.

[penowa]

How come the Democrats always come up with the good names? THE CAMPAIGN TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, People for the American Way, etc. You can be certain whatever the name is, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the group is promoting, but it sure is soothing to the sheeple. Why don't the Republicans have a good PR firm?

[blowfish]

Good for Governor Rendell!

[ex-snook]

So what if intelligent design isn't science. That doesn't detract from reasoning out where matter and life came from. Science is self-limiting to its own capability. Intelligent design has a much wider reach.

[jpf]

Actually Rendell is living proof that evolution has left some of us...ah, less evolved. He's got a lot of hair where hair shouldn't be and none where it should be and the suborbital ridge of his cranium is protruding.

He also thought the Eagles should have drafted a certain pot fiend running back instead of Donovan McNabb. I'm glad the birds ignored the gov! At most he's never lacking for an opinion.

Also, do we have religion classes in public schools? So what they're really saying is, public schools should be anti-religion.

[Brilliant]

It's amazing how much energy and money has been expended in this war over evolution and intelligent design.

[Archon of the East]

Evolution is the BEST science theory that we have but it is a theory. Since many don't consider ID science but still feel it better explains our existence, would it be asking to much to include the discussion somewhere in the glorious "diversity" of our so progressive curriculum. I mean really lets not include the single eternal question that man has been asking as long as we have had history in our "studies"....Our public taxpayer funded education is absolutely pathetic as are people who are so shallow as to not allow the conversation at all.

[layman]

I don't see why we need to argue about this. Can't we just choose which process gave us life and let it go at that? I am the product of alien intervention, but I have friends who are the product of intelligent design, and I have one friend in particular who is definitely the product of the imperfect process of evolution. I think there is one thing we can all agree on, and that is that none of us knows for certain how we all came to be.

[Coyoteman]

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[Just mythoughts]

Hey "fast eddie" I sure hope you were just listening to Rush!!! I could have made that calll.

[untrained skeptic]

" The letters were signed by more than 100 scientists and clergy of various faiths, the group said."

[sarcasm] Wow they were able to find a whole 100 Luddites that want students to be taught to regurgitate answers, not think on their own.[/sarcasm]

"Advocates of intelligent design say life is so complex that it is likely the result of deliberate design by some unidentified creator, not random evolutionary mutation and adaptation."

Some people like to act like evolution is more scientific than ID. Usually, it's done by comparing things that are of different scopes.

They'll say that ID can be used to explain anything but evolution is more specific.

However, the theory of evolution is part of a broader theory that basically says that the driving force of the universe is random chance and there is not intelligent design. That's just as provable or disprovable as intelligent design.

If you want a better comparison to wrap your mind around let's narrow ID down to the level of the theory of evolution.

The theory of evolution says that species evolved due to random chance and genetic mutation. Applying the theory of ID we would say that rather than random chance, what we see as evolution is actually happening due to a design.

The fossil records do not prove or disprove either theory.

Neither theory is more provable or disprovable than the other.

Since these are theories, and not proven facts, belief in their validity requires a leap of faith.

If you really want to see a rabid evolutionist froth at the mouth, tell them that their belief that random chance and mutation are the creative force in the universe is more of a religion than a science. It's belief in something unproven, which appears to be unprovable.

It answers nearly every question you can ask, it just isn't all that convincing of an answer to many questions because it's not provable.

The theories of evolution and ID should be taught in schools. The teach us a very important lesson. They teach us that there is more about the world that we don't know than what we do know.

Examining and discussing theories logically and through the scientific method also teach us how to think critically and how to learn rather than simply how to repeat dogma.

It's important to note that the theory of evolution is more than just saying that there is evidence that life has evolved. It a theory that says that life evolved due to random chance and not anything else.

That's the part of the theory that gets evolution into the realm of being a religious theory rather than just a scientific observation.

Teaching the theory of evolution as the only credible theory is basically the state establishing a religion through our schools.

Expect evolutionist to try and combat these assertions by defining science in a way that excludes ID. They'll come up with definitions of theories that preclude ID. However, evolution will suffer the same lack of provability and dis-provability that ID faces.

That usually brings up more circular arguments which amount to defining something in such a way to try and make it exclude ID, and then using that definition as a reason to exclude ID.

It's a bunch of circular arguments that mean nothing.

The theory of evolution and ID are simply theories. They are not facts. They are ideas to consider that help you learn to question what you hold to be true.

It's human nature to resist change and be uncomfortable questioning what you hold to be true.

Teachers also don't like bringing up questions that they can't answer. It seems to have something to do with their need to exert authority. Or possibly they just never learned to think for themselves when they were in school either.

To exclude ID and teach the theory of evolution would

[Doc Savage]

In that case, champagne for everyone! Oh wait, he's a liberal moron! Hold that order!

[Tribune7]

Fast Eddie ping

[appleharvey]

From the way that he looks, and can supposedly suck down a bag of Big Macs, he is a walking talking case for devolution.

[Ciexyz]

Liberal Dem Ed Rendell backs evolution? surprise, surprise.

[f zero]

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