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[Pennsylvania] Gov. Rendell backs evolution
York Daily Record [Penna] ^
| 30 September 2005
| NICOLE FREHSEE
Posted on 09/30/2005 7:45:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: keithtoo
Certainly you must know that Eugenicists from Margaret Sanger to Hitler have used Evolution to excuse their evil schemes. And terrorists use the science of chemistry to manufacture explosives to kill civilians. What's the point here?
Whether or not people misuse scientific knowledge has nothing to do with whether or not it is true. Not only that, but any evolutionary biologist will tell you that eugenics was based on the misunderstanding of evolution - all the more reason to make sure it is taught accurately.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:04:15 PM PDT
by
Quark2005
(Where's the science?)
To: keithtoo
So Darwin believed apes and Negroes were closely related? Is that what he said?
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:04:38 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: Antonello; Dimensio
See my previous post to realize that my first post was correct as written. You are wrong, but will be forgiven if you humbly admit your error and promise to amend your ways.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:05:14 PM PDT
by
keithtoo
(Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
To: doc30
If you're tired of repeating yourself, why bother?
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:05:22 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: mlc9852
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:06:23 PM PDT
by
keithtoo
(Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
To: keithtoo
I can pretty much guarantee that won't happen, at least with Dimensio! LOL
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:06:40 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: mlc9852
The atheists want to make sure ID isn't in the schools. ID is an issue that easily makes conservatives look like fools. So organizations such as the ACLU, which is primarily a leftist political organization, not necessarily an atheist organization, goes after ID.
It's no different that when the left went after guns a decade ago. ID is simply a handy attack point. And it wouldn't be if you people would figure out that evolution isn't an atheist dogma and go on to some other subject.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:07:01 PM PDT
by
narby
To: keithtoo
Fair enough. Can I then discount the bible for having racist overtones?
When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:07:07 PM PDT
by
Mr. Blonde
(You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
To: Quark2005
BTW, I would never try to prove creation wrong in a science classroom- this can't be done. It is a non-falsifiable concept. I would demonstrate why it is a non-scientific model.No, but if it's forced into the classroom, science will point out that there's no evidence for such events as a global flood. I really don't think creationists or ID advocates are really prepared for the way this would be taught.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:07:20 PM PDT
by
js1138
(Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
To: narby
You obviously don't know much about the ACLU or you are being intentionally dishonest. You don't think they are an atheist organization? Seriously? Come on, you know better than that. But don't be ashamed - I'm sure the ACLU does a lot of good in American! SARCASM
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:08:32 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: narby
Interesting thoughts, narby...I can't refute the lawsuit and public school comment, but I do stipulate that says more about the lunacy of government sponsored education than about the foibles of ID.
Your comment about liberals I find fascinating, albeit utterly puzzling...are you advancing a theory that if we conservatives stand shoulder to shoulder with them on an issue they will see the error of their ways and embrace us with the greatest of celerity? That they will then love us and whisper sweet nothings of agreement with conservative thought in our ears? That if we were to firmly reject any argument that, however meek in its assertions, dares at all to impinge upon the holy writ of evolution, that liberals will respond in kind and admit to the virtue of the war on terror?
As I say, interesting theory...
To: Mr. Blonde
I cannot stop you from doing what you will, but I can tell you that you are wrong if you do.
Christ didn't die for any particular race of people, even though he was from a 'peculiar' race of people himself. Not everyone is treated equally - in this life - in the Bible, that is for sure. I believe that everyone will, in the end, have equal justice applied to their lives.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:11:34 PM PDT
by
keithtoo
(Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
To: keithtoo
"Certainly you must know that Eugenicists from Margaret Sanger to Hitler have used Evolution to excuse their evil schemes."
Certainly you know that Hitler wasn't an evolutionist but a creationist, right?
"Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."
" It is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."
"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproductionof our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purityof our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that ourpeople may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."
He wasn't a Christian Creationist, but he did believe that God's most special creation was the Aryan Race and that it was a sin to destroy it. He didn't believe in evolution.
As for Sanger, she (as is true of most eugenicists)was more influenced by the new science of Mendelian genetics than evolutionary theory. That doesn't make Mendel the progenitor of race policies than it does Darwin.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:11:36 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: mlc9852
What didn't you understand about my post? Be specific, nothing in there very complicated. Quote it back to me and explain what you didn't get.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:12:04 PM PDT
by
Thatcherite
(Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
To: mlc9852
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:12:32 PM PDT
by
keithtoo
(Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
To: mlc9852
Thanks for responding. That's a pretty silly response, however. Of course direct linearility is difficult to establish, and you'd understand that if you ever examined mosaics of primitive and derived traits. Moreover, every new transitional species creates two new "holes."
I never claimed that human origins were set in stone -- that we had an exact uncontroversial picture. That said, everyone -- the entire scientific community -- accepts that the species I listed are transitional between non-human apes and humans. Their exact place on the tree is debatable, but their presence on it is not.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:12:49 PM PDT
by
Alter Kaker
(Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
To: CarolinaGuitarman
I am not one of them, but you must know that MANY people claim to believe in Creation (of a limited sort) and Evolution at the same time.
Hitler apparently had leanings toward Paganism, that much is true. He even claimed to admire Christ - not because of His teachings, but because He still had followers almost 2000 years after His appearance on Earth.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:15:49 PM PDT
by
keithtoo
(Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
To: Thatcherite
Something about 20 million species and 8 people. Not sure where you are going with that.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:16:38 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: keithtoo
"I am not one of them, but you must know that MANY people claim to believe in Creation (of a limited sort) and Evolution at the same time.
Hitler apparently had leanings toward Paganism, that much is true. He even claimed to admire Christ - not because of His teachings, but because He still had followers almost 2000 years after His appearance on Earth."
And he wasn't an evolutionist, he was a special creationist (non-Christian).
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:17:47 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: Alter Kaker
I'm sure there are those who would argue that apes and humans are not the same and never were. But this is all becoming tiresome as I have been at it all day. I guess we just have to agree to disagree until we have proof, which we probably never will in our lifetimes. I imagine when we die we'll know if we were right or wrong.
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posted on
09/30/2005 12:18:33 PM PDT
by
mlc9852
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