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Massachusetts Should Close Down OpenDocument
FOX News ^ | September 28, 2005 | James Prendergast

Posted on 09/29/2005 8:52:01 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

The broader media usually take little interest in public policy debates about technology, but they’re missing a big story in Massachusetts.

The technology trades, blogs and industry are buzzing about a monumental policy shift in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Officials in the state have proposed a new policy that mandates that every state technology system use only applications designed around OpenDocument file formats.

Such a policy might seem like something that should concern only a small group of technology professionals, but in fact the implications are staggering and far-reaching. The policy promises to burden taxpayers with new costs and to disrupt how state agencies interact with citizens, businesses and organizations.

Worse, the policy represents an attack on market-based competition, which in turn will hurt innovation. The state has a disaster in the making.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: brassbuzard; microsloth; microsoft; microsoftshill; opensource; paidshill; redmondlapdog; redmondmalware; redmondpayroll; redmondshill; twobitweasel
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To: Golden Eagle

"they would have worked with the company that created and maintains the current industry standards,"

And by that you mean adobe, right?

Still not answering my question on your tech expertise, eh?


121 posted on 09/29/2005 10:15:16 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: NJ_gent
Next question?

No need to ask a quesiton, since OSS applications can read/write MS formats as well as PDF they should qualify just as PDF does. MA is being hypocritical, without question with their bias.

122 posted on 09/29/2005 10:15:30 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
...and threatening to lock MS out from the beginning.

They didn't lock out MS, they changed the locks and gave MS a new key (implement ODF), but MS won't use it.

123 posted on 09/29/2005 10:15:33 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Petronski; Golden Eagle
Microsoft is disallowing itself, by refusing to implement ODF.

Now-now...don't go talking sense to ol' Buzzy. That just ticks him off to the point that he starts calling everyone who disagrees with him "communists" and other silly things.

124 posted on 09/29/2005 10:16:21 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Anyone can obtain the software, free of charge, needed to work with the documents. Not having the software currently installed on their computer isn't a real impediment. Think of OpenOffice as a browser plug-in. To access a site's content, just download the plug-in.

If Microsoft wants Word users to be able to access the documents from within that application, they can simply implement an import filter. The format documentation is available to them.

125 posted on 09/29/2005 10:20:26 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Golden Eagle
You need to see the reality that while Stallman is a communist that open source software does nothing to hinder capitalism. It just turns the industry into being more service oriented. Think of it this way. Because web space providers don't have to pay royalties for the operating system, web server, database, and programming languages they are able to buy more servers and more people will be able to purchase their service. There's still capitalism and capitalism will never die. The conservative movement has benefited greatly by open source software.
126 posted on 09/29/2005 10:21:12 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: flashbunny
Still not answering my question on your tech expertise, eh?

You don't deserve even this, much less any answers to your questions, since you stormed into this thread in your normal manner shrieking names and insults at me when I'm trying to have dignified discussion. If you EVER expect me to talk to you again, grow up and act like you've finally reached puberty, then I'll think about it.

127 posted on 09/29/2005 10:21:23 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Your introductory 3 paragraphs sure didn't give that impression.

You mistook pointing out MS's blundering PR campaign for support for anti-trust.

Wrong, if they were worried about that they'd simply impelement the format, they have historically provided more compatiblity filters than any other vendor, and ones that worked.

They are trying to avoid implementing the format because they want to maintain single vendor lock-in to their proprietary formats.

This is about MA taking a radical position that disallows the industry standard product while claiming they are doing it in the name of user access.

'Industry Standard'? Why are you of the opinion that a single vendor with a proprietary file format should be considered the standard? You can't open MS documents without paying them. Why should people who want to view information recorded by the State of Massachussettes be forced to pay Microsoft to view that information? Isn't it preferable for Massachussettes to adopt an open standard, that doesn't have vendor lock in or legal encumbrances, and then invite any vendor to make software capable of reading and writing in that open format? Why do you prefer taxpayers be forced to buy Microsoft's products to view information collected by the state?

They are claiming they want the formats "open" but ignore Microsoft's existing open format compatibility and the open nature of their future standard formats.

You're aware that Microsoft's implementation isn't open, right? Are you ignorant, or being deliberately misleading?

128 posted on 09/29/2005 10:22:45 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: bahblahbah
You need to see the reality that while Stallman is a communist that open source software does nothing to hinder capitalism. It just turns the industry into being more service oriented.

Sales and Service is the best and proven method. Service only will soon have you serving the government, or its wishes alone.

129 posted on 09/29/2005 10:23:32 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I've never called you any names. I've never insulted you. I'm trying to have a dignified discussion with you.

I'm interested in learning about your level of technical expertise. What exactly is your technical background. Thanks.

130 posted on 09/29/2005 10:23:58 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Golden Eagle
Opinion: Switch to OpenDocument format will make state documents more accessible to the public because anyone can have the software to read the format.

What he doesn't tell you is basically NO ONE has the software to read or write this format.

The software is available from multiple vendors for free. 'Anyone can have the software to the format'. Why should the state use taxpayers money to keep up with MS's office suite upgrades? Why should taxpayers have to pay MS to access information their state collects in a proprietary MS format?

131 posted on 09/29/2005 10:27:25 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Golden Eagle

Ah, ok, the one that hurls out the commie insults on every thread speaks of 'dignified discussion'.

I'll take your continued avoidance of the issue and your latest excuse for not answering as an inidcation you have sub-bupkis experience in the tech or internet fields.

I don't need to ask anymore. You don't need to answer. You already have.


132 posted on 09/29/2005 10:28:19 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Gunslingr3
You can't open MS documents without paying them.

Who told you that?

Why are you of the opinion that a single vendor with a proprietary file format should be considered the standard?

Defacto. Ever heard of it?

Why do you prefer taxpayers be forced to buy Microsoft's products to view information collected by the state?

They don't have to now. They can use one of the freeware clones, or heaven forbid download a free reader direct from MS.

133 posted on 09/29/2005 10:28:52 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ordinaryguy

don't hold your breath for an answer...


134 posted on 09/29/2005 10:29:09 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle
Why do you prefer taxpayers be forced to buy Microsoft's products to view information collected by the state?

They don't have to now. They can use one of the freeware clones, or heaven forbid download a free reader direct from MS.

What operating system is required to run the free reader, who sells it, and how much does it cost?

135 posted on 09/29/2005 10:31:51 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Golden Eagle
I agree with the author.

I disagree with the author, which means I must disagree with you as well, though more respectfully. Whereas the technowinnies are all excited about this, a 'blow' against Microsoft, it isn't. All that will happen here is that Massachusetts is forcing Microsoft join a standard that it wasn't totally against in the first place.

This will be a minimal cost change for Microsoft (note, they only have to be compatible with OpenDocument, not use it as 'native' - IE able to write and read these documents.) and I, as a consumer, will gain from it. And it won't be just Microsoft who will make the change, but virtually every vendor because they don't want to get locked out of any options.

The geeks are excited about the idea of Linux on every desktop; whee - not going to happen in any state. To do so would devalue the positions of those who have picked up fancy certificates from training courses they convinced their supervisors (and ultimately the taxpayers) to pay for. The system won't change because the system is supported by those who created it.

And yes, we're a multilingual household. Apple, Linux and Microsoft boxes; each shines in different respects, though the Linux box needs serious rebuilding. (I am not impressed how fast Linspire broke down. Shouldn't have done it, should have just stuck with Mepis. Ahh well.)
136 posted on 09/29/2005 10:33:32 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: Golden Eagle

" Defacto. Ever heard of it?"

Yes, it's called adobe reader.

You support that as the standard?


137 posted on 09/29/2005 10:34:06 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle; flashbunny
Translation: he has no credentials, he has no practical experience, and he's a jackwitted shill for Redmond.

Naturally, ol' Buzzy won't refute this. He'll just resort to more asinine name-calling.

138 posted on 09/29/2005 10:35:50 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Prime Choice

hey, don't call him names, you pinko commie liberal troll!


139 posted on 09/29/2005 10:36:35 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle
Defacto. Ever heard of it?

Why are you in favor of the state sponsoring vendor monopolies by restricting their information to proprietary formats? Have you no regard for the taxpayer's money?

They can use one of the freeware clones, or heaven forbid download a free reader direct from MS.

Why is it better to download a free reader from MS that won't let you edit as opposed to a free word processor or spreadsheet application from any other programmer that will let you open and edit OpenDocument format files? What is the advantage to the taxpayers of MA to stay on MS's Office upgrade treadmill and contend with MS's proprietary file formats?

140 posted on 09/29/2005 10:37:14 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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