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To: King Prout
demonstrating the viability of abiogenesis has no bearing on whether or not speciation through mutation and selection is valid.

Sure it does, since Macro evolution had to have a start, and if life cannot come from non-life, there is no Evolution-period.

But you evolutionists know you can't get past abiogenesis so you run from it (although you have been trying to prove it for years)

It would 'falsify' Creationism, since we state that all life must come from life. I wish that were true. I really do wish it would be that simple, that you folks would be slapped into facing reality with so little effort. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Your side would AUTOMATICALLY fall back on the next goalpost: "But living things DESIGNED THAT EXPERIMENT, so all that proves is that Intelligent Design is a fact and that life still came from life!" I know this for a fact: I've seen it happen on many CREVO threads.

Well, as long as you know it to be fact.

How could any Creationist make that statement when Evolution hasn't proven that life can come from non-life.

Quit lying about yourselves and your standards.

No, you stop setting up strawmen arguments.

If Evolutionists could prove life could come from non-life they would have proven Evolution (Macro) is possible.

As it stands today (in the real world) all life must come from life.

That is what we call a Law.

Show that it is not a law and you have disproven a central tenet of Creationism, no matter what Creationists say.

But there is still hope!

Maybe the Aliens that you Evolutionists are looking for will show you how they came from non-life!

That was what Sagan was looking for, wasn't he with his 'billions and billions' of years nonsense.

He knows better now.

495 posted on 09/30/2005 1:13:11 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration; PatrickHenry; Ichneumon; VadeRetro
As it stands today (in the real world) all life must come from life. That is what we call a Law.

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Please... I'm BEGGING you... at least wait until beer-thirty before springing such a whopper on me!

now, let's see here...

Sure it does, since Macro evolution had to have a start, and if life cannot come from non-life, there is no Evolution(sic)-(sic)period.

hrmn... abiogenesis being necessary for the ToE (speciation due to mutation and selection in the populations of imperfectly self-replicating living organisms)... ahhh, nope: Doesn't really matter how life got started - the ToE only applies once a population of imperfectly self-replicating living organisms, competing for resources and subject to environmental factors, is extant. Abiogenesis, alien seeding, a glowing skypixie waving his phallus... makes no nevermind how the population arose.

I truly dislike having to reiterate simple explanations, so, please, have you got it?

I doubt you do (or will admit that you have if you do) but you cannot henceforth honestly claim to have never been informed of the distinction.

As a side note: Will you PLEASE ask your puppetmasters to concretely define what your side means by the term "kind", and get them to set a fixed standard of where they hold "micro" evolution is seperated from "macro" evolution - including an explanation of mechanism by which accumulations of minor mutation-based alterations in phenotype CANNOT add up to speciation? That'd be a help, and would be uncharacteristically polite of your side to do.

As to this: How could any Creationist make that statement when Evolution hasn't proven that life can come from non-life.(sic: "?")

Creationist participants on these CREVO threads have made variations of that very statement ("But living things DESIGNED THAT EXPERIMENT, so all that proves is that Intelligent Design is a fact and that life still came from life!") in response to opponents who have made statements to the effect that sooner or later biological scientists WILL take inert components and create living organisms.

Now, again, PLEASE: wait another 45 minutes or so before posting another staggeringly funny demonstration of nonsense. Make that an hour - surviving another such exemplar of lunacy will take more than one bottle of MGD.

497 posted on 09/30/2005 1:51:47 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Sure it does, since Macro evolution had to have a start, and if life cannot come from non-life, there is no Evolution-period.

That's just nonsense. The theory of evolution posits that all life on earth came from a single common ancestor, and that the multitude of species developed through mutation and natural selection. Where that first life came from is not part of the theory. Darwin himself wrote that the first organism from which all others descended was "breathed by the Creator." (Origin of Species, last page.)

509 posted on 09/30/2005 2:37:57 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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