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The thread I pinged yesterday: Ex-Teacher Testifies in Evolution Case [Day 3 of trial in Dover, PA].
1 posted on 09/29/2005 3:36:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 09/29/2005 3:37:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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Perhaps someone should spend more time looking at the quotes from many of teh best scientists in the world - including Albert:

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)

Enoough said. There are many. many more great minds who at LEAST believe in intelligent design, if not the God of Christian understanding.


7 posted on 09/29/2005 4:19:47 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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"Witness: 'Intelligent Design' doesn't qualify as science [Day 4 of trial in Dover, PA]"

Like the THEORY of evolution DOES?

As I wrote on another thread, Americans need several hundred lawsuits filed in strategically-located school districts for teaching a theory as scientific fact. Talk about defrauding the taxpayers and the students.


9 posted on 09/29/2005 4:23:19 AM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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The reporters were subpoenaed but declined to give depositions Tuesday, citing their First Amendment rights.

Ah the reporters right to lie and publish them.

26 posted on 09/29/2005 5:11:42 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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Eight families are trying to have intelligent design removed from the curriculum, arguing that it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

It's only Congress and the thing they cannot do is pass any law. It does not "guarantee" the seperation of church and state; it prohibits Congress from meddling with churches and establishing as state church as existed in England.


30 posted on 09/29/2005 5:24:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.Walt Meier, of NSIDC, said: "Having four years in a ro)
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The statement says Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to an intelligent-design textbook for more information.

Once again, we have a shining example of the misuse of the word "theory" to mean "supposition put forth in the lack of supporting evidence." Of course, that is NOT the scientific meaning of theory. For a scientific idea to reach theoryhood, it has to have a pretty solid body of evidence (i.e. facts) to back it up.

Furthermore, if it weren't for those gaps in scientific knowledge, there'd be no reason to keep paying us the big bucks to keep researching. What we do is identify gaps in current knowledge, propose a hypothesis, and test it. If we're successful, we make the gap a little smaller.

41 posted on 09/29/2005 5:40:27 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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This is all this thread is...

No interest in discussion over the trial...just a chance to feel evo good.


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120 posted on 09/29/2005 7:21:32 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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"As scientists go about their business, they follow a method," Pennock said. "Intelligent design wants to reject that and so it doesn't really fall within the purview of science."

This is the best 2-sentence description of ID that I've seen so far.

144 posted on 09/29/2005 8:19:12 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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The reporters were subpoenaed but declined to give depositions Tuesday, citing their First Amendment rights.

I see the author of the article went to public school.

147 posted on 09/29/2005 8:23:02 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Proponents of intelligent design argue that life on Earth was the product of an unidentified intelligent force, and that natural selection cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

A theory that all other theories are wrong. Hmmmm. Sounds like religion to me.

166 posted on 09/29/2005 9:24:42 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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Here's a very funny column on the trial by Mike Argento of the York Daily Record. I posted it to Editorial, but it was moved to chat.
185 posted on 09/29/2005 10:10:27 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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Creationism/ID is to science what Liberalism is to public policy. By not requiring rational objective analysis and debate, both of these ideologies can appear more acceptable to a dumb-downed public.


204 posted on 09/29/2005 11:38:41 AM PDT by eagle11
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Trial update from the York Daily Record. Glad I don't live in this town.

Ex-Dover board member says belief in God was questioned

Daily Record/Sunday News
Thursday, September 29, 2005

After Casey Brown quit the school board Oct. 18, she testified today, two board members questioned her belief in God.

Brown was the morning’s sole witness in the fourth day of the Dover school district trial over intelligent design, in federal court in Harrisburg. She said Bill Buckingham, after she handed in her resignation, called her an atheist and accused her and her husband Jeff Brown, also a former school board member, of destroying the school board.

The Browns announced they were resigning from the board immediately after it voted to include intelligent design in biology class.

Months later, board member Alan Bonsell also questioned her faith, Casey Brown testified. “He told me I would be going to hell,” Brown said.

After court broke for lunch, Bonsell denied making that remark.

Casey Brown will be cross-examined this afternoon.

264 posted on 09/29/2005 2:00:24 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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Pennock said intelligent design does not belong in a science class, but added that it could possibly be addressed in other types of courses.

Watch that little weasely qualifier "possibly." If the jury comes back that it ain't science then it MUST be philosophy. Pick one or the other.

319 posted on 09/29/2005 4:29:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: PatrickHenry
Pennock said intelligent design does not belong in a science class, but added that it could possibly be addressed in other types of courses.

I think a philosophy class that included an evolution v. ID topic would be OK. What do you think?

470 posted on 09/30/2005 11:18:45 AM PDT by connectthedots
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