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To: faireturn
As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on the fairtax. Hostility toward vigorous questioning of the results of this program is not selling me one bit.

I am in no rush to burn the house down to keep warm because the furnace is faulty.

Frankly, I have been paying taxes since I was 14.

I am soon to be a great-grandfather.

The Social Security I have been promised probably will not exist when I think about retirement.

None of the programs I paid for did squat for me when times were tough, I made the comeback from virtual homelessness without any help but a couple of friends and some slow moving deer.

Now that I have made that long climb back, frankly, if this is going to cost me more, I an not about to support it.

413 posted on 10/01/2005 10:07:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Now that I have made that long climb back, frankly, if this is going to cost me more, I an not about to support it.

Then I suggest you look at the full picture rather than a piece here and a piece there without putting all together.

That includes the effect on prices of removing the income/payroll tax burden from businesses and exempting all purchases for business use from the retail sales tax implemented; the FCA tax rebate provided to every household based of the number of legal residents in the household, and the fact that no income is taxed under the Fairtax legislation unless it is spent for consumption which pretty much puts control into your hands as to when and howmuch tax you actually do pay.

 

Federalist #21:

"Imposts, excises, and, in general, all duties upon articles of consumption, may be compared to a fluid, which will, in time, find its level with the means of paying them. The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. "

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess.

They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed - that is, an extension of the revenue."

The legislation is a whole work to assure the lowest tax burden possible at the individual level while assuring the entire electorate visibly participates in the tax system, unlike the current system designed to obscure tax burdens from the view of voters.

414 posted on 10/01/2005 10:26:48 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
the intent is to create a tax system that is [in it basic structure] cheaper.

The fair tax scheme [as proposed] does exactly that in all of its important aspects.
You anti-fairtaxers are in actuality arguing against meaningful, much needed tax reform. You have no other solutions to our current tax/SS withholding nightmare, yet you fight this one..
"I'm not seeing that" you're making much sense, -- that is the real crux of the matter.

As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on the fairtax.
Hostility toward vigorous questioning of the results of this program is not selling me one bit.

There are no "results"yet. -- It's a proposed program, and the anti-faction here are far beyond 'questioning', and into speculative & hostile opposition.

I am in no rush to burn the house down to keep warm because the furnace is faulty.

The 'furnace' has been poisoning america since withholding/SS was enacted, about the time I was born.

Frankly, I have been paying taxes since I was 14.

Me too.

I am soon to be a great-grandfather. The Social Security I have been promised probably will not exist when I think about retirement.

I started drawing mine 6 years ago. If I live another 10 years or so, I might break even.

None of the programs I paid for did squat for me when times were tough, I made the comeback from virtual homelessness without any help but a couple of friends and some slow moving deer.

We all have problems. I'd like to see a fairtax type scheme passed to insure freedom for my grandkids from income taxation.

Now that I have made that long climb back, frankly, if this is going to cost me more, I an not about to support it.

Fixing the present mess would have to cost less in the long run. Doing nothing is leading us down the road to serfdom.

415 posted on 10/01/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by faireturn
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