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To: VadeRetro
You have a rather bizarre idea of what is life. It sounds like vitalism, an old and generally useless idea. The stuff of life is carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen, mostly. You can't restart Thomas Jefferson because degenerative changes occur within minutes of the failure of respiration and heartbeat. He's probably dust now.

As for the supernatural, there's just no evidence that nature isn't lawful in ways we can analyze. At least, that's been a good-working assumption thus far.


Nice shuck and jive, there.

I am surrounded by carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen. In fact, the nylon rope next to me is made up of those. It does not seem to be alive.

So you are saying you don't know. You just aren't honest enough to admit it.
207 posted on 10/01/2005 8:07:49 AM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: NonLinear
Nice shuck and jive, there.

I am not trying to confuse you. I would like to dissuade you from trying to beat other people over the head with your own militant pig-ignorance and self-inflicted confusion.

I am surrounded by carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen. In fact, the nylon rope next to me is made up of those. It does not seem to be alive.

You are made of dirt-common elements, but only the ones that have a nice semi-stable chemistry that allows combining and recombining indefinitely without creating anything that's too low-energy for further reactions. A molecule becomes "alive" enough to evolve when it reproduces itself. If it isn't yet growing or hunting or thinking or prowling the bars to meet girls, it might evolve such features later. The rope is not made of dividing, growing cells.

So you are saying you don't know.

No, I am not saying that.

You just aren't honest enough to admit it.

You just aren't even logical enough to keep your story straight. You just said I'm saying I don't know. Never mind that is an out-and-out lie. You just said it in one sentence and contradicted it in another.

Nice "Twist and Shout." I'm not going to spend a lot of time denying I'm saying things I clearly never said. How old are you, son? Is it over 12? Try to raise the level a bit here.

Anyway, that's not the answer. I am absolutely positively saying there is no vital fluid or essence or whatever. It isn't just that we can't measure it. There isn't any. Or, if there is, we don't need it to explain anything.

Life is in the organization and the behavior. Disrupt the process, cut off the oxygen, withhold food, or scramble the molecules in a blender, the thing is dead.

There isn't much more to say except you need to grow up and learn the first couple of things about what you denounce. You are too flat-out pig-ignorant to be taken serously.

208 posted on 10/01/2005 11:30:48 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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