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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Do you mean there is no way to identify manipulation.

The kinds of manipulation being done in laboratories would cause trouble if found in the wild. Pig genes in tomatoes and such.

The problem for ID is that everything found in the wild supports a common genetic lineage, a family tree.

The greater problem with ID is that it doesn't know how to predict anomalies, and hasn't predicted any. I suppose if we found a stray gene, someone would try to say, Ah Ha!

But predications after the fact don't carry much weight. What is it that ID would look for? None of the ID advocates have been able to come up with anything.

117 posted on 09/28/2005 9:17:53 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
But predications after the fact don't carry much weight.

Well... yes and no... if nothing else, anomalies seem good places to go asking why? "It may have been a random event," thinks the observer. "But I wonder."

What is it that ID would look for? None of the ID advocates have been able to come up with anything.

Exactly... I think I.D. is good speculation and quite possible... But the advocates have to come up with a way of testing it to call it science.

Moving your earlier comment down:

The kinds of manipulation being done in laboratories would cause trouble if found in the wild. Pig genes in tomatoes and such.

Imagine this, though.... Civilization collapses and mankind forgets science, as a pig-gened tomato makes it into the wild.... 10,000 years from now a new civilization has rebuilt science and is trying to breed better tomatoes.

Might they notice a pig gene in a "wild" tomato? And if they did, how would they try to account for it?

125 posted on 09/28/2005 9:30:54 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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