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To: jennyp
I simply think the ToE has too many 'gaps' to be accepted as the truth; and there are certainly enough of them that it is not unreasonable to point out that they exist.

I am also honest enough to admit that I believe in ID/creation and don't see that great a difference between the two, other than that those who believe in creation are more likely to be religious, with Christianity being a significant one.

I am also honest enough to admit that believe in ID/creation requires an element of faith as well; but there is substantial evidence for it.

On the other hand, I would also say that a belief in the ToE also requires a degree of faith. If there are 'gaps' in the ToE, some faith must be present.

It's my personal opinion that belief in evolution requires more faith than in ID/creation, but I can see where those on the evolution side might think the opposite.

I don't think I've been evasive about ID/creation. I've never said that you can prove, in a positive sense, that id is true. My arguments have simply been that the evidence doesn't support evolution, and especially macro-evolution. I have never had a problem with natural selection, and I don't think any intelligent IDer does.

I have never defended the use of actual numbers in proclaiming the improbability of evolution. While I think the odds against evolution are extraordinarily high, I don't see how the proponents of those numbers can reach them without considerable speculation in the same way I think evolutionists have to resort to mind-boggling speculation to explain away problems with evolution.

You and I obviously disagree in the evolution v. ID/creation debate, I don't think it would be fair to say I am being intellectually dishonest.
278 posted on 09/30/2005 12:46:34 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
...I am also honest enough to admit that believe in ID/creation requires an element of faith as well; but there is substantial evidence for it.

On the other hand, I would also say that a belief in the ToE also requires a degree of faith. If there are 'gaps' in the ToE, some faith must be present.

It's my personal opinion that belief in evolution requires more faith than in ID/creation, but I can see where those on the evolution side might think the opposite. ...

You and I obviously disagree in the evolution v. ID/creation debate, I don't think it would be fair to say I am being intellectually dishonest.

That's fine, but on these threads you're just sitting there saying "speculation!" every tine someone shows you an analogy or piece of evidence for evolution. It's like you're whipping out a cross & holding it up to the screen while you chant "lalalalalalalaicanthearyoulalalalalala". You're agressively trying not to comprehend what's before you. Whether or not that means you're being intellectully dishonest I leave as an exercise for the reader.

279 posted on 09/30/2005 1:37:22 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: my sterling prose)
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