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To: NVD
Does that mean you are a non-creationist? You deny that the world exists? Or do you deny that it was ever created?

Is it just all imagination? Or does it just "be what it is" -- that curiousity stopping zen koan?

Personally, I'd reckon anyone who is NOT at some level a creationist is insane, either by chemistry or choice. Why? Because things started somewhere and somehow.

Moreover -- and this is to many (but not to me) a seperate point, but the very very physics and chemisty that we have come to learn by scientific study is to an unimaginably high degree unlikely to have arisen from some random process -- and just as or more impossibly likely to be able to continue in some stable state of being for any time. Therefore not only is there a Creator, but a Maintainer. One and the same, for the two activites are too close, too cohesive to be otherwise.

And that's just plain sense -- to deny is the insanity.

14 posted on 09/28/2005 4:07:21 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Good point! I agree!
Yes, I am a creationist but the argument of most naturalists disregard ID simply because they consider it faith or religion, but never science. There is a scientific component to ID in addition to what you mentioned in your previous thread.


16 posted on 09/28/2005 4:21:00 AM PDT by NVD
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To: bvw
Personally, I'd reckon anyone who is NOT at some level a creationist is insane, either by chemistry or choice.

That's an interesting observation, because I've come to the opposite conclusion: that religious belief is, in some sense, a voluntary, somewhat benign form of insanity.

"Voluntary," because it takes a bit of actual work not to examine the true nature of things and feel okay in one's ignorance. (For example, evolution is not a "random" process, yet that is the caricature put forth my many who don't want to believe it.)

"Benign," because it does provide solace for the believer against facing the reality of his own mortality. (Notwithstanding the damages done by the search for this solace.)

And "insanity," because it is a belief based on little to nothing concrete, and relies on the unspoken assumption that the strength of a person's desires, fears and subjective beliefs are evidence that the religion the particular person accepts is true. And also because, as these threads can show you, it is impervious to reason and evidence. (Consider how many people literally believe Genesis [complete with its talking snakes and magic fruit trees] notwithstanding the physical impossibility of it having happened.)

24 posted on 09/28/2005 5:20:30 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: bvw
Personally, I'd reckon anyone who is NOT at some level a creationist is insane, either by chemistry or choice. Why? Because things started somewhere and somehow.

You just called every religious person insane. God has no beginning and wasn't created.

32 posted on 09/28/2005 5:57:27 AM PDT by sumocide
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