JAGS Not Welcome (Top US law schools try to figure out a way around the Solomon Amendment)

The Weekly Standard ^ | September 27, 2005 | Scott Johnson

[SteveMcKing]

Fewer JAGs is a good thing. Their very profession is disloyal and collusionary, much as their civilian analogs.

[BamaGirl]

Seriously, while it was the dream of my husband and myself to attend the Ivy Leagues, for my kids I'm not so sure... Those places really are awful!

Maybe it will be better when it is time for them to go to college.

[Sgt.Po-Po]

Jeez folks. We're talking about lawyers here. "Yale Law School"

As soon as any of them is offered $$$$ to take the other
side their lack of principles will show. They only take one
side until the $$$ are offered.
Of course then they won't be watched by their "peers."

:-)

[truthpls]

Yes, I don't think it's far in the future to have a Russian or Chinese, or some unforeseen enemy take control of the media and announce "Your system doesn't work. We are taking control of this government." It seems that it has been leading toward this aim bit by bit, year by year, and is now becoming much more strident, as you hear the dissidents becoming more and more belligerent. Although, I still have faith that even the most stupid among us would rise up with that good old American spirit and shoot them down. It is so sad that many can't see the harm they are committing, and could actually be abetting such a scenario, making it become a reality. The irony; what other political system has rewarded so many "classless people" so much financial and social gain? and these are the very ones who are the most vocal and most determined to bring this government down. Sad, they don't even realize what they are doing. Pray for America.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

These skunks have been targeting the minds of American children for about 100 years now.

And the dumb parents of those children KEEP PAYING DEARLY FOR THE BRAINWASHING!

Do not turn your life savings over to an America-hating, Christian-bashing, soldier-mocking, commie-loving college for them to undo everything you have ever taught your child that is good and right.

Why do parents love and nurture their children for eighteen years only to pay the commies to take them away to the "camps" to be indoctrinated?

American parents who do this are mad...absolutely out of their minds... to finance such a thing.

If every decent parent in America boycotted college support for one year, the insane asylums of brainwashing would fold like a wet cardboard box and the deranged communists in charge would be forced outside the walls of their hate factories to work for a living.

Starve the communist camps of money and they wither and die.

That is the fate they deserve for preaching against everything America represents and the decent American people believe.

[Merry]

My child is at one of the ivy schools. He also belongs to the Republican club. Other students on the campus might not have agreed with his opinion but they respected his right to say anything he wanted as long as he backed it up. He was not mocked either but encouraged to debate. He even attended an election night party with the profs and other students and cheered when the President won re-election along with other conservative students. You are all generalizing. Yes, there are a lot of liberal profs. There are also students that think for themselves. He considers himself lucky to be at Yale. He's receiving a top notch education and has not considered changing his political affiliation.

[Experiment 6-2-6]

AHHH!

I hate that show..

Having actually served with JAG (albeit two weeks) it was one of the most enjoyable two weeks I had with the Navy..

The sad part of this article is that MOST law students are on Federal Financial Aid. Sort of makes me glad I ended up going to a podunk law school..

[defenderSD]

It appears to me that many conservatives are too concerned about liberal "indoctrination" at American colleges. I attended the University of California, which is regarded as a fairly liberal university in a blue state. I was a science major, which no doubt cut down on the amount of political discussion in my classes, but I don't recall ANY politically oriented discussion at all in any of my classes. Not in economics, psychology, liberal arts, or in any math or science classes.

This was back in the 1970's when anti-Vietnam protesting had just ended and there were far-left wacko students and people holding radical far-left meetings and protests. But the professors and teaching assistants were totally professional and non-political. I've heard about some political talk in the Cal State college system (different from Univ. of California), but I never saw any of that at the University of California. I don't remember my classes even being slanted to the left, although it's a long time ago now.

[clee1]

Catherine Bell..... yummy!

[quietolong]

Hate to tell you this.... But JAG the TV show is a Anti-Military show.

[SpeakLittle_ThinkMuch]

Mmmmmmmnnnn.....I know the one you're thinking of.

[F14 Pilot]

i know it!

It was misleading though and full of crappy stuff

[XpandTheEkonomy]

It appears to me that many conservatives are too concerned about liberal "indoctrination" at American colleges...I don't remember my classes even being slanted to the left, although it's a long time ago now.

Hey, no offense, but you need to get up to speed:

*10 to 1 Liberal to Conservative faculty ratio.

*Orwellian orientation sessions where most of the time is spent hammering the concept of thought crime home.

*Anti-Western, anti-patriarchal, anti-white, anti-American curricula up the wazoo.

*Affirmative action quotas and, of course, grade inflation.

*Separate dorms and graduation ceremonies according to ethnicity.

*Campus-wide no-go zones for military recruiters and ROTC.

*Speech codes to insulate the protected classes.

*Leftist ethno-supremacy organizations e.g. La Raza in full bloom.

And the list goes on...you should consider doing some homework!

[XpandTheEkonomy]

Can someone please explain to me why Yale needs any government funding?

Ha ha ha. With so many Yalies in power in D.C. it would be incredible if they weren't dipping into the trough.

[XpandTheEkonomy]

Sad, they don't even realize what they are doing. Pray for America.

Maybe there is a silver lining. One must assume that as the Ivy League schools continued to be exposed as "camps" they eventually become less appealing. Perhaps a corollary is the loss in stature of the NYT.

And then other top regional schools gain in stature.

Hopefully, this will follow as part of the overall conservative realignment in the media and congress. Radical left institutions losing their luster.

A media organ needs to provide rankings based on just how Orwellian the learning environment at the top schools has become. Put O'Reilly on the case.

[BamaGirl]

Wow, That's great to hear that they are so "tolerant" of your son's beliefs. I guess things are changing faster than I thought!

Thanks for providing the data! Based on the article, I would have guess Yale was one of the worst places.

[defenderSD]

"And the list goes on...you should consider doing some homework"

You should consider providing some hard facts and links to credible sources. I gave you a first hand factual account of my experiences at the Univ. of California and you respond with a bunch of unsubstantiated statements. Now go do YOUR homework and bring us some solid sources and not rumors and BS emails. Don't bother me again until you have a solid, balanced, and well researched post. I'm not going to read any unbalanced BS filled with anecdotal stories about a few wacko professors. Now get out of here and don't bother me until you've done your homework, and remember the key to your assignment is factual accuracy and balance. Don't just find a few isolated situations to support your claims.

[DA740]

I went to a top US law school. I took a class in negotiating and was forced to "partner" with gay guy in one negotiating exercise (we lost in the negotiation because he gave everything away!). That was my worst experience with a gay guy.

But what about all those guys in the military. Should a soldier really be forced to shower next to a self-proclaimed "flamer"? I don't think so.

DA740

[defenderSD]

"If every decent parent in America boycotted college support for one year, the insane asylums of brainwashing would fold like a wet cardboard box and the deranged communists in charge would be forced outside the walls of their hate factories to work for a living."

Perhaps things have changed a lot since the late 1970's, but when I attended the Univ. of California I experienced absolutely no political "brainwashing" or "indoctrination" of any kind. Although I was a science major, there was no discussion of politics in any of my classes that I recall. I have no doubt that the professors at UC and most other colleges are primarily liberals or Democrats, but generally they are professionals and they keep political themes out of class discussion.

The administrators are probably worse than the professors because of misguided and arbitrary decisions like banning military recruiters from campus. But the statement that there is systematic "brainwashing" or "indoctrination" at the majority of US colleges is not supported by the facts. I will email my nephew who just graduated from Stanford and ask him about the level of political discussion these days. I would agree, however, that there are a small number of far-left liberal colleges (usually second-rate) where the whole atmosphere is so politically liberal that college amounts to a form of indoctrination. But those schools are fairly small in number and usually have less than 10,000 students (which is not too many by today's standards. Arizona State is up to 61,000 now.)

[XpandTheEkonomy]

I gave you a first hand factual account of my experiences at the Univ. of California

You are about as well-informed as someone who fell asleep under a tree for thirty years.

Your anectdotal account is hopelessly out of date. For you to base your contention that conservatives are too concerned about liberal "indoctrination" at American colleges on 1970's personal recollections is flat out nonsense.

I would feel an obligation to link and source my statements if I were writing a book or running for office. Until then I will let the lurkers and posters decide!

And if you feel so strongly about the veracity of any statements made here...why don't you disprove them?

BTW your position on anectodal comments is pure entertainment:

I'm not going to read any unbalanced BS filled with anecdotal stories...Don't just find a few isolated situations to support your claims.

On the other hand...

I will email my nephew who just graduated from Stanford and ask him about the level of political discussion these days.