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Giuliani Looking Good Right About Now
Town Hall ^ | 9/27/05 | Lorie Byrd

Posted on 09/27/2005 6:37:12 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: newguy357
The "valid" form of argument you are so impressed with is often called the reductio ad absurdum" Its as if I said "The candidate we nominate will need to be able to fly, so I recommend we nominate a bird." and my correspondent replied "Ah ha, Ostriches are birds and they cannot fly, so therefore you are an idiot."

Ok, in my one sentence post I said it would be good that we nominate someone who is competent, but I didn't remember to eliminate the possibility that this person could be a mass-murdering fascist. However, since in fact I do not believe there is any evidence to support the contention that "competence" as used to describe the specific individual in question could reasonably include "competence at genocide" I think my omission was not such a damaging one.

41 posted on 09/27/2005 9:21:02 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: nonliberal
Guliani is .., pro-homo, and pro-abortion.

So much so that he is going to have government agencies figure out a way for two men to conceive just so that he can then force an abortion. /S

42 posted on 09/27/2005 9:29:05 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: babble-on
The "valid" form of argument you are so impressed with is often called the reductio ad absurdum" Its as if I said "The candidate we nominate will need to be able to fly, so I recommend we nominate a bird." and my correspondent replied "Ah ha, Ostriches are birds and they cannot fly, so therefore you are an idiot."

I don't think so. You said Rudy was "competent" - the point is that this is a meaningless attribute since evil men can also be "competent". I remember a woman telling me she voted for Clinton because he had "charisma." See how ridiculous your statement is now? Charisma and competence are swell, but when they are divorced from morality, they can be nefarious.

43 posted on 09/27/2005 9:41:45 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: dead
is as big a gun grabber as Guiliani.

I expect the mayor of NYC to hand out guns to all comers. /S

44 posted on 09/27/2005 9:42:42 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Sabramerican
He doesn't have to hand them out to everybody.

All the bad guys already have plenty.

45 posted on 09/27/2005 9:49:22 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: babaloo

Given a choice between Rudy and Hillary! I would either vote Losertarian or go to work early and skip voting altogether. From where I stand, the two are darn near identical.


46 posted on 09/27/2005 9:53:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: freeeee

I always try to help.


47 posted on 09/27/2005 10:12:56 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: SmartCitizen

Well, I'll still say "competent" is going to be better than "incompetent" when it comes to running a Republican candidate in 2008. Its the issue we are going to be vulnerable on, and it would be nice if we could nominate someone who clearly has it, with a track record of running a complex and difficult enterprise capably. And no, I don't think Giuliani is "divorced from morality" just because he's "divorced from Donna."


48 posted on 09/27/2005 10:24:04 AM PDT by babble-on (It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. -Lincoln)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The effectiveness of any campaign to shove a RINO down the American people's throat is inversely related to the number of misguided, naive, and inane posts touting such maggots as Rudy for President.

I'm beginning to think that Hillary, friends of Hillary, or maybe RINO-Rudy's relatives, are behind this campaign of post after post after post.

And, by the way, as a former Marine, I'm NOT going to just shut up and take it, justshutupandtakeit.

49 posted on 09/27/2005 10:25:53 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: areafiftyone
Why are conservatives faced with choices from those who are either fiscally conservative or socially conservative, but not many who are both. :-(
50 posted on 09/27/2005 10:27:47 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Little Ray
:) You've it Right. That is what I would do as well. I like Guliani personally, great NYC Mayor. He cleaned that city!... did what many did not think it could be done. BUT... when it comes to social issues, Hillary would do just as well.

Not good.

51 posted on 09/27/2005 10:27:56 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: DocH
I'm beginning to think that Hillary, friends of Hillary, or maybe RINO-Rudy's relatives, are behind this campaign of post after post after post.

Maybe the one who wrote this on the Town Hall website which is a conservative sight is from Friends of Hillary or one of Rudy's relatives. Why don't you go on the three blogs she has and ask her?

52 posted on 09/27/2005 10:33:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

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53 posted on 09/27/2005 10:34:39 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: nonliberal
Here's the major problem I find with that posture.

Since 911, many conservatives have taken the posture that national security and the prosecution of the war are the most important issues. And they are. In doing so, they have chided liberals and democrats on their pursuit of social issues important to them in this war period. Stuff like same-sex marriage, for example: part of our side's argument is to put that stuff on the backburner and in the interest of unity, recognize that the war is paramount.

Now comes a natural leader on the GOP side who is well suited to leading the next phases of the war. But some on our side don't follow the mandate they set for the liberal types. NOW social issues become important to us.

The truth is that Congress won't be confiscating guns under a Rudy presidency, and abortion won't become illegal between 2009-2013, or 2009-2017 no matter who is in office.

'Pro Homo' is an odd choice of words: the president has had no say in national policy regarding same sex marriage, except calling for a constitutional amendment. Even the liberal Clinton signed the (what will likely be unconstitutional) Defense of Marriage Act. If it bothers you that Rudy knows some people who are homosexual, well there's nothing notably 'conservative' about having that opinion. Do some quiet reflection - if you want to preserve the definition of marriage that will find you within a broad consensus; if you want to be mean to gay people, you will find yourself much lonelier.

So it's our turn to put up or shut up. It's time for our side to put some of the social issues we find important (not all of them) in the best interest of prosecuting the wars.

If we don't, we are phonies and full of it.
54 posted on 09/27/2005 10:35:42 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: babble-on
Well, I'll still say "competent" is going to be better than "incompetent" when it comes to running a Republican candidate in 2008. Its the issue we are going to be vulnerable on, and it would be nice if we could nominate someone who clearly has it, with a track record of running a complex and difficult enterprise capably. And no, I don't think Giuliani is "divorced from morality" just because he's "divorced from Donna."

He's divored from morality not because he divorced Donna, but because he advocates the murder of babies, the subversion of the institution of marriage and the family, and the violation of the U.S. Constitution. You cannot make a case that a man with such beliefs is "moral" - at least not in the sane sense. With these beliefs, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between him and Hillary. They're both ultra-liberal. Go ahead and vote for Rudy -- just don't pretend you are conservative while doing it.

55 posted on 09/27/2005 10:40:53 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: HitmanNY

I agree with exactly what you wrote.

Further, lets discuss "morality".

I lived in NYC before and through his administration.

There is no more street prostitution in NYC. The few strip clubs remaining and adult book stores are heavily regulated.

Although my two trips to strip clubs left me wondering about their appeal, as one who believes in freedom, his high handed methods to stop this activity didn't meet with my approval. In some ways I believe his "morality" is too strict.

But he is what we now need. No one comes close.


56 posted on 09/27/2005 10:55:34 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: HitmanNY
So it's our turn to put up or shut up. It's time for our side to put some of the social issues we find important (not all of them) in the best interest of prosecuting the wars.

The war is a joke. Wide open borders (what homeland security?), political correctness ("Islam is peace"), refusal to identify the real enemy (hint: it's not "terrorism"), delusional belief that "democracy" will defeat terrorism (can someone name a free muslim country?)...such a war is not winnable.

Do some quiet reflection - if you want to preserve the definition of marriage that will find you within a broad consensus; if you want to be mean to gay people, you will find yourself much lonelier.

So, opposing gay marriage (which all nations have done since the beginning of recorded history) is the same as being "mean to gay people"? Folks - please observe the face of the new GOP!

Go ahead, chuck morality and truth, and see how long this country lasts. Go ahead, ignore the warnings of our founding fathers about morality and virtue, and see how long you keep your freedoms.

There are millions of REAL conservatives (not the phoney compromised liberals in the GOP) who object to having gay marriage forced down their throats, who object to a rogue judiciary ruling the country while the President and Congress do nothing and say very little, who object to Bush's betrayal of conservatives withh his drunken-sailor spending and his nomination of the phoney constructionist Roberts, who object to the suicidally politically-correct approach to this war by the Bush Administration (e.g. no racial profiling, fear of offending muslims, etc.), who object to Congress and Bush's repeated violation of the U.S. Constitution with their unconstitutional welfare programs and Patriot Act, and last but not least - to the invasion of our country thru the Mexican border by millions of Mexicans and OTM's (read middle easterners).

The above spells the end of the Republic unless someone has the guts and integrity to stand up and do something about it. Did you notice that Bush's approval rating is in the toilet? We don't need another unconstitutional liberal to carry on the destructive status quo!

57 posted on 09/27/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: SmartCitizen

I think that morality has to be enforced by each person, NOT the federal government. Republicans that have tunnel vision about 2008 will probably wind up staying home and not voting. If Rudy runs, he will get many democrats who WON'T vote for Hillary but would vote for Rudy! So, my take is Rudy runs, some conservatives stay home, but their lost vote will be made up by the decent thinking Democrats who know what a Hillary presidency would do to this country. Not to mention that if Rudy wins New York (and he will), he wins...that's my 2 cents and I'm a strong pro-life, conservative Christian who believes that if we get a Jew hater in the White House, America is through. (and Hillary IS a Jew Hater!)


58 posted on 09/27/2005 10:57:08 AM PDT by princess leah (\)
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To: DocH

I don't see any such campaign as you are hallucinating. And the mild interest expressed for Rudi is far less fanatical than what you claim as well.

Only the politically clueless would believe Hillary is behind any attempt to promote a man who would clobber her. She would be trying to promote candidates as far to the right as possible knowing that they would turn off all but the most conservative. The last thing she wants is to run against a moderate Republican.

But don't let facts get in the way of your raving.


59 posted on 09/27/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: areafiftyone
he will be another bernie kerik. there are a lot of new york
stories that just might come to light if he runs.
60 posted on 09/27/2005 10:58:53 AM PDT by thefactor
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