Posted on 09/27/2005 6:37:12 AM PDT by areafiftyone
Prince of the City wasn't a bad book, but it didn't tell the complete story. 'nuff said.
One of the things you don't know is that Rudy routinely hired good good people, then fired them, grabbing the credit. This is particularly true for the NYPD.
Lastly, Rudy is still a NY prosecutor at heart and far from ready for primetime.
Ahh, Turkey...where there have been 3 military coups in order to keep the muslims out of power...that is not democracy and that is not freedom. In addition, freedom is only guaranteed by inalienable God-given rights (see U.S. constitution), of which there are NONE in Turkey. As long as the people have a muslim worldview, democracy will only serve to advance islamic causes and beliefs and law. We see in Iraq that the Constitution isn't working - that place will erupt in civil war as soon as we leave. That prediction was just made by an Iraqi leader.
In regards to same sex marriage (not gay marriage - gay people are allowed to get married and consistently have been), I must not have been clear. Opposing same sex marriage is NOT being mean to gay people. That's my point. And President Bush and a President Rudy have almost no say on that topic, policywise. Even liberal Clinton signed the DOMA, I don't think Rudy wouldn't. There is broad consensus against same sex marriage.
Ahh yes - "civil unions" - that is just a euphemism for gay marriage, and is no better since it also underrmines thte institution of marriage - an institution of GOD, not man. Bush has come out in favor of these "civil unions" - that is NOT a conservative position by any means. In my book, it is not much different that favoring gay marriage. And I did not even address the issue of how Bush and the Congress sit back and do nothing while the Supreme Court usurps new powers not delineated in the U.S. Constitution.
Being mean to gay people is not a good path and not conservative. That's all I'm saying. The fact that Rudy is friendly with some homosexual people isn't damning to me, I hope it wouldn't be damning to anyone else.
Of course, being mean to anyone is wrong. I don't care if Rudy is friendly with gay people.
Elections are won in the middle not at either extreme.
As much as people on this board refuse to believe it, Bush is alienating the middle and dragging down Republicans with him.
Giuliani or McCain, who can appeal to the middle, are among the very few Republicans who can win the next election.
Rudy can't win on a Republican ticket. Just the NYC thing would alienate a ton of voters. Though it would be entertaining.
Is there a rule against certain political speech here? I didn't see it. Is that to say that free speech isn't allowed here - that any time the "moderators" disagree with the content of a poster, they shut him up? Say it ain't so Joe!
Hit what you aim at.
No but DocH thinks we should not post anything on Rudy/RHINOS here.
How he dealt with hiring and firing and motivations will all be gone over with a fine-toothed comb.
How he got control of the self-serving civil service unions that were destroying N.Y.C. will also be made known.
Don't get me wrong - I lived in NYC from birth (1968) to 2001 and Rudy did an excellent job! I agree with you!
Mr.SmartCitizen,
You read one paragraph and call me a liberal - my first thought was "what a jerk this guy is" but then realized that by promoting Guiliani I could see where you might get that idea. My first choice would be a John Ashcroft type, but I don't think he's running. What I do believe is that we're living in the last days before the return of Christ and according to the Bible, things have to get worse, alot worse and as much as my ideals would love to see someone more conservative than Bush or even Reagan, I don't realistically believe it is going to happen because world events are NOT moving that direction, but towards an eternal one. One thing is for sure, we're going to need a strong leader, one who'll be there during crisis and America is going to have continued crisis!
So you both are saying CC is allowed in NY? Then what is the story about Guilianni being anti gun? That isn't true?
I didn't say Turkey was perfect. We have a 7th century mideast mentality and want to bring them to an 18th century republic, it's not going to be easy. That's not to say it's impossible.
I'm not for same sex marriage nor civil unions, personally. That being said, civil unions would not be available only to homosexuals but to all. I think it's a bad idea, but i don't see a serious national movement towards that.
In any case, I don't see what Rudy would do to make it closer to reality.
In any case, what makes Rudy pro gay in a way that will seriously impact national policy, and in a way that you find distasteful enough to trump national security concerns?
What "plays" in NYC doesn't play in other parts of the country. For instance, Rudy's dad did hard time for armed robbery back in the day. He's also twice divorced, the first time from a second cousin (which is legal, though a little icky).
My favorite, however, is that he lived with a gay couple while in the midst of his second divorce. There was a game among the local media called "Where's Rudy?" One TV station found him leaving the apartment in the morning and ran the tape with the Odd Couple theme song, which cracked me up.
This is just a sample of the stuff that has been highly publicized in NYC. Here it gets yawns, but in many Red States people might find it offensive.
Lastly, my favorite Rudy gimmick was that he regularly ate dinner at "mobbed up" joints just to rattle their cages.
LOL I didn't know that.
I saw him do it several times in Little Italy and on Court Street. Cracked me up. And he wouldn't eat and run, either. He'd hang out for three or four hours.
I've noted a rise in trolls on Guilianni article postings. Maybe he isn't in anyone's pocket after all. hmmm.
LOL too funny! Tough guy!
Well, can you picture him flying into North Korea and popping into a restaurant, "Relax, I just heard you boys make a helluva kimchi, and I thought I'd check it out."
McCain will not be able to win.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1409261/posts?page=13#13
LOL I admit I post them but I do it in good fun to get a good debate going. Keeps us on our toes. I know the people who don't want Rudy to run will be on and the ones who want him to run will be there too. Jeeze I've been called all sorts of names on these posts, I don't expect anyone to get angry over Rudy but they do.
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