And I hate to say it, but to me you sound like an anti-Protestant bigot.
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Posted on 09/26/2005 5:12:00 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
This has already been posted.
Not the America I grew up in, that's for sure. My high school football team promoted Christianity (the coach was a Christian) and even had Faith and Pride on their helmets. Almost all of them were active in Fellowship of Christian Athletes. And nary a lawsuit was filed.
If it really happened this way it should never have found its way into the media at all.
I sympathize with Mr. Moeller, but he made a mistake.
While it is generally best to "live as if we are free,"
as Pope John Paul II advised leading Eastern European dissidents, we also have to understand the concept of "fighting words."
The idea that non-Christians are going to hell is part and parcel of religious faith for some people. But it is very unwise for them to state this publicly, even with a nod of the head. We do not live in a society of anything like complete free speech. Or rather, the left has complete free speech, and the right (in this case, fundamentalists) have badly compromised free speech.
We should speak boldly on matters that are politically relevant and on which the majority of the American people will not be deeply hostile. We should avoid "fighting words" where possible, unless we have been badly provoked by the person we are speaking to.
People like Moeller do more harm than good politically. He might be good for saving souls, but his removal from the (quasi) public arena is no loss to conservatives. We can use it, to some extent, as an illustration of the limitations on our freedom of speech. We can also use it as an illustration of the arrogance of certain representatives of designated victim groups. But no one should say non-Christians are going to hell. It does no good and much harm.
If the good Reverend Moeller had answered the question by saying, "Billy Bob, the Jews are doomed because they are racist Islamophobic squatters in the holy land..." I reckon that there wouldn't have been so much as a peep.
But mention Jesus and you're going to give the left an epileptic fit.
I understand what you're saying, but surely answering a question is not "forcing God down everyones' throat"...
That's great, but what does that have to do with this article? Did you just been waiting to get it out?
Ugh, have you been waiting to get this out?
No one was forcing their values on anyone. He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully. Jesus said you can only get to the Father thru Him and that if you deny Him before men He will deny you before God.
My God's better than your God
My God's better than yours
My God's better than your God
You are gonna burn in hell
Huh? Since when is expressing one's religious beliefs equivalent to "ramming God down everyone's throat"?
Or are you on the side of censoring all public expressions of faith?
He made the right decision to answer with Faith. Those who are "shocked" and "amazed" can just get over it.
"So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." ~ Matthew 10:32-33
It seems he fears God more than he fears men, and rightfully so. A Christian's duty is to God, and part of that duty is proclaiming Biblical Truth in his/her daily walk.
Faith is not something that should be turned on or off depending on social circumstances. That's called waffling. That's called denying Christ before men.
BINGO. Typcical liberal. Can't defend his own position so starts calling names. And no I'm not being anti-semetic in making that statement. The rabbi did not refute, he attacked.
I thought it was common knowledge that Christians believe salvation is reserved for Christians. I can't see why anyone would be scandalized by the idea.
And I hate to say it, but to me you sound like an anti-Protestant bigot.
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I'm speaking from a political perspective. From a political perspective, he has made evangelicals, fundamentalists, etc., look bad. And that's bad from my standpoint, because they are an important part of the conservative coalition. Even from the standpoint of strictly religious ministry and witness, fire and brimstone no longer works with unbelievers in today's world. While I cannot fault Moeller ethically for affirming it, I do fault him prudentially and pragmatically. He won't win souls that way, nor will he
do anything to make our politics, government, OR society less hostile to family values, AKA Christian values.
How true!
Wouldn't a Rabbi if their were being honest to there faith also have to say a Christian is doom... from there perspective Christian follow a false Messiah
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