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New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
Washington Post ^ | September 26, 2005 | Rick Weiss and David Brown

Posted on 09/26/2005 3:27:53 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: tallhappy
Listen: nothing in my comments have anything to do with supporting or refuting "common design" (whatever that is). Nor does pointing out the biological inaccuracies of the t.o. tract in any way refute or even adress common descent.

The usual BS disclaimer. I've been watching you for years now and can tell what I'm seeing.

181 posted on 09/27/2005 11:50:06 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: tallhappy

Go back and read post #98.


182 posted on 09/27/2005 11:52:59 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: bvw

Right!

And all I see in the article is that God created a chimp on the sixth day of creation, and He then created man, also on the sixth day. And God used a 96% similarity in the genome. He is able to do that without any evolution from a chimp to a man.

More importantly, God put within the man the ability (spirit) to know Him who created him, in a personal way. This God did not give to the primates, who would enjoy creation without the duty, responsibility or rewards of tending it. The chimp will not answer for the way he responds to his creator. Man will.


183 posted on 09/27/2005 11:56:54 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: Free Baptist
You left out: "Then God put all these funny fossils in the Earth that are in-between a chimp and a man. Funnier yet, He put them in order, chimp to man, in the sediments. Then, as some would have it, He said, "Believe thou not thy lying eyes!"
184 posted on 09/27/2005 12:00:43 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
I've been watching you for years now and can tell what I'm seeing.

Paranoid and obsessed, are we? (we meaning you)

185 posted on 09/27/2005 12:06:53 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: js1138
Go back and read post #98

OK, and...?

186 posted on 09/27/2005 12:08:03 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
(we meaning you)

(we meaning you)

187 posted on 09/27/2005 12:09:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Crackingham

Science has proven that the materials in a 2005 Ford are 98% identical to the materials found in a 1904 Oldsmobile. It's obvious that evolution is the reason.


188 posted on 09/27/2005 12:27:16 PM PDT by GSHastings
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To: tallhappy

I appreciate your compliments. But I am no expert; I know these things because for a few years, just for personal interest I've read a variety of books on biology, including books on genetics, evolution, and intelligent design. Also, I sometimes hang out at the local tavern with a colleague where I teach who is an entomologist. (He studies insect communication and how it affects evolution.) He was actually the one who told me about the problem with Mendelian genetics from a Darwinian point of view.


189 posted on 09/27/2005 12:30:38 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium
He was actually the one who told me about the problem with Mendelian genetics from a Darwinian point of view.

Curious to see exactly what this problem is, I searched back to post 122. I can see why people have no problem with it. It's fine as history. It doesn't work quite so well as an exposition of a problem. In particular, what's the problem?

Darwin knew nothing of genetics. (We might add that Mendel knew nothing of evolution.) The "Neo-Darwinian Synthesis" of genetics and classical evolution only occurred in mid-20th century, yes. As you note, there have been exciting advances since then. There is certainly still work to be done in identifying the fine genetic details of the speciation process. Is that the problem?

190 posted on 09/27/2005 2:14:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Diamond
"Let me see if I have this straight; lies, mistakes and errors are a moral and ethical guide?"

I don't think I mentioned lies anywhere in my mesage and, as for errors, it seems reasonable to me for the human writers of the Bible to have made some. Review Leviticus chp 11 wherein bats are referred to as birds, review Joshua, chp 10 (I think) where it described the sun going around the earth. The mistakes and errors do not detract from the ethical and moral message and guidance extractable from the Bible.

Also, it might be better if you refrain from assuming any intentions on my part other than those you can know about. My message was a simple and direct statement about my view of the bible. Lastly, and for your education, the construction, "you must understand.." is not a command but a simple figure of speech people use in conversational English. I am sorry if you are new to this sort of discourse.

"Cordially"

191 posted on 09/27/2005 2:17:15 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: VadeRetro
My lengthy post 122 was in response to the question as to whether anyone would be able to explain the molecular basis of evolution. I thought it might be helpful to explain things a bit, and I thought it would be interesting to mention the Mendel/Darwin issue from the early 20th century.

There certainly is work to be done on the problem of speciation. My colleague I mentioned works on certain issues in the problem of speciation: he studies sympatric speciation, where new species form in the same ecological system from a parent species. (This is therefore different than allopatric speciation, where a species finds itself occupying different ecological systems, and speciation occurs when one of the ecological systems changes over time and the population in that system changes with it. If I'm not garbling this. What's interesting is that there are few examples of sympatric evolution.)

192 posted on 09/27/2005 2:52:39 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium
My colleague I mentioned works on certain issues in the problem of speciation: he studies sympatric speciation, where new species form in the same ecological system from a parent species. (This is therefore different than allopatric speciation, where a species finds itself occupying different ecological systems, and speciation occurs when one of the ecological systems changes over time and the population in that system changes with it. If I'm not garbling this. What's interesting is that there are few examples of sympatric evolution.

Yes. This kind of thing. Lots of issues remain about details of mechanism and what scenarios are most common, etc.

193 posted on 09/27/2005 3:03:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro; megatherium
Darwin knew nothing of genetics. (We might add that Mendel knew nothing of evolution.)

No.

Mendel, in fact, sent a reprint of his paper to Darwin.

Back then manuscripts came from the printer uncut. To read them one had to slice open the pages.

Darwin's copy of the manuscript Mendel sent him was found uncut.

Darwin never even bothered to open Mendel's manuscript.

194 posted on 09/27/2005 3:14:25 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: VadeRetro; megatherium
Do the terminal subspecies of a ring species not fit the definition of sympatric speciation? They generally inhabit the same geographical area.
195 posted on 09/27/2005 3:15:37 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: tallhappy
Right, I stand corrected. (See how easy that is?)

In fairness to Darwin, he got lots of mail by that time, and Mendel remained in obscurity for years after he published.

196 posted on 09/27/2005 3:16:49 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: AntiGuv
The Soviet Union. Miserly. Gone.

Cuba. Miserly. Broke and broker.

Mexico. Miserly. Dirt poor by that miserliness.

European Union. Miserly. Falling down fast.

Three strikes plus. You're out.

Baseball is a chartible game. Also why it succeeds.

197 posted on 09/27/2005 3:19:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

I don't need a faux history lesson. Just give me the scientific test of your prediction.


198 posted on 09/27/2005 3:22:53 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

That was it. Had it peer reveiwed too.


199 posted on 09/27/2005 3:24:47 PM PDT by bvw
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To: b_sharp
The overlapping ends are in the same area, but I'd say the speciation was allopatric. It is caused by differences of adaptation and history enforced by considerable if not total geographic isolation up until the ends reunite.

Also, there really aren't that many instances of ring species, so even if you count them as sympatric there still aren't many sympatrics.

200 posted on 09/27/2005 3:32:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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