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The Last Temptation of Dylan- Watching the new documentary.
slate ^ | Posted Friday, Sept. 23, 2005 | David Yaffe

Posted on 09/25/2005 3:47:51 AM PDT by dennisw

Edited on 09/25/2005 10:11:40 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: hlmencken3

He told Diane Sawyer that he firmly believes in the second coming...he also continued to write Chritian themes in songs, such as the song Ring Them Bells, and he continues to perform several of this strongest Christian songs, "I Believe In You", "Saving Grace", and "Solid Rock"....

I know some Jewish Christians who do take part in Jewish holiday rituals....after all, Christianity is a continuation of one faith.

Is all of the above hands down proof?...No...I only know that the biographers were wrong when they said he renounced is faith after three years....some songs he wrote later certainly seem to dispell that claim.


101 posted on 09/25/2005 11:41:24 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: dennisw

When is it on dennis? Or did it happen already? I don't keep up with TV much, but I'd like to see this.


102 posted on 09/25/2005 11:41:51 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: HitmanNY
Dylan may be our best rock and roll genre songwriter ever.

a bit of a poet indeed.

some here should can their hatred for anyone over 40.

the voting statistics speak for themselves.

Gen X and Gen Y are both more liberal so far.

And the majority of boomers were never hippies or nor ever marched against the Vietnam war.

The Great Society was given to us not by boomers but by their parents and grandparents.

Now...do boomers simply overshadow following generations in numbers? Oh yeah.

I'm at the peak of the boomers and I always felt like I was trailing the curve too.

Anyhow....one could do worse than Dylan....a lot worse.

He really always wanted to be a Buddy Holly...not a folk poet.
103 posted on 09/25/2005 11:45:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (Move over Joan Crawford,..............Memphis Minnie has risen from the grave.......)
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To: Impeach the Boy; scott says; 50sDad; q_an_a; xzins; Jack Black; Jonah Johansen; dennisw

I don't know what more people want from him. He's raised good kids who apparently love him; he's written music that will last for generations; his lyrics are part of our lexicon; and he's stated clearly, righteously and publicly the faith in Jesus Christ which brought him peace.

Who among us has done more?


104 posted on 09/25/2005 11:47:25 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: hlmencken3

Wonder what he's talking to his Jewish friends about?


105 posted on 09/25/2005 11:48:43 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: dennisw

My favorite Dylan song.....Garcia sang nicely too.

You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last.
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast.
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun,
Crying like a fire in the sun.
Look out the saints are comin' through
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense.
Take what you have gathered from coincidence.
The empty-handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets.
This sky, too, is folding under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home.
All your reindeer armies, are all going home.
The lover who just walked out your door
Has taken all his blankets from the floor.
The carpet, too, is moving under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you.
Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you.
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore.
Strike another match, go start anew
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.


106 posted on 09/25/2005 11:49:52 AM PDT by wardaddy (Move over Joan Crawford,..............Memphis Minnie has risen from the grave.......)
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To: Black Tooth

LOL...well glad to get a perspective on that crybaby from someone I respect.


107 posted on 09/25/2005 11:51:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (Move over Joan Crawford,..............Memphis Minnie has risen from the grave.......)
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To: wardaddy

Yea I agree with you and I am happy I got to see him live on a couple of occasions. A genuine legend and giant in music, he was and is a very talented man. His memoirs are excellent, also.

I depart with you a bit on baby boomers. In my direct experience (I'm 37) they have consistently been the most self cenetered and some even narcissistic bunch I have ever encountered.

Younger people (20s-30s) tend to be more beholden to a strange mixture of strong self esteem and almost no genuine self assurance. Boomers tend tohave strong self esteem and exagerated self assurance. Both combos aren't notably good - the self esteem is shallow, and the self assurance is often very misplaced.

I can't speak for every member of that class, but I do criticize the class mostly because of one lost 'gut check.' Even though most were not hippies nor were they protesters, they did fail to keep those types honest and in check when they were branding their generation as such. They also, as a class, stood by and let a small & vocal group of women lay the foundation for what has esentially become a de-balled male population in the 21st Century.

The truth is a lot of crap when down of the watch of the baby boomers - while most are not directly responsible, most certainly didn't mount an effective countermovement to the wide-eyed navel gazers that they allowed to define their generation.

My generation stinks, by the way. :-)


108 posted on 09/25/2005 11:54:04 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I have NO problem with people not liking his music..or his voice...we have different tastes...Some folks cannot stand to hear him sign (particularly now)...my wife is one of those...in fact, most females don't like to hear his voice these days...

However, he still writes incredible music and great lyrics...such as Moonlight on the Love and Theft album...or, Make You Feel My Love, from the Time Out of Mind album.

I only wanted to set the record straight about the claim that he is a LEFTY through and through, and false claims about his faith...

In fact, he STILL sneaks some lyrics into his songs about his faith...from the Love and Theft album:

Your charms have broken many a heart and mine is surely one
You got a way of tearing the world apart, love, see what you've done
Just as sure as we're living, just as sure as you're born,
Look up, look up, seek your Maker, 'fore Gabriel blows his horn


109 posted on 09/25/2005 11:55:44 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen again.


110 posted on 09/25/2005 11:59:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (Move over Joan Crawford,..............Memphis Minnie has risen from the grave.......)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Well said...I just laugh at ignorant comments regarding Bob. I'll say it again, if people don't like his music or voice that is a fair and sometimes a deserved slam. But to try to say that he is a lefty or renounced Christ is just not factually true.
I was drawn to his music in 1980, when I heard the Slow Train album, I have been a fan ever since. The bible has been a major influence on his work from the start.A lot of people don't even know that "All Along the Watchtower" is from Isiah, chapter 21 .There are some good books on Dylan and the bible.
I don't view him as some great prophet or "voice of a generation", all that is garbage. I appreciate him as a great writer and storyteller.I like Bob's own description
" I'm just a song and dance man."
111 posted on 09/25/2005 12:01:13 PM PDT by scott says
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Unless you know this personally, the claim means nothing. Even then, it means nothing. Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are born again Christians.

And by the way, I know one of his security guys, that lives part time with Dylan at his place in Malibu. He's told me the man is a great family man, a straight shooter, a very private individual and a nice guy.

112 posted on 09/25/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth; dennisw; scott says; Impeach the Boy; All
PBS says it's being run in two parts, Monday and Tuesday, September 26-27, and rerun October 1.

DYLAN: NO DIRECTION HOME

Regardless of the title of this documentary, I look forward to reading about Dylan's path homeward in the second installment of "Chronicles."

113 posted on 09/25/2005 12:03:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Black Tooth
Dylan committed the unpardonable sin of publicly declaring Christ his Savior.

The music industry will not tolerate Christianity in their troubadours. Not good for business.

Dylan will laugh last.

114 posted on 09/25/2005 12:06:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: HitmanNY

I think the problem young folks have with a lot of boomers is that the ones you describe didn't make great parents. Nothing worse than a preening self obsessed parent.

The Boomers were also the first generation that had it easy...(sans Vietnam for those that went)..relatively speaking and their large numbers have tended to expand everything unrealistically....

...the economy and culture.

It just sort of gobbles up everything.

Leftist culture never really took off where I'm from.

We got a bit of the dope and sexual revolution stuff.

The Civil Rights movement at which I was at ground zero is more honestly attributable to pre-boomers.


115 posted on 09/25/2005 12:07:23 PM PDT by wardaddy (Move over Joan Crawford,..............Memphis Minnie has risen from the grave.......)
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To: dennisw

I love Dylan's music. I just got a 3 disc CD set as a birthday gift. The man is a genius. Thanks for heads up on this documentary.


116 posted on 09/25/2005 12:08:39 PM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: wardaddy

I agree with you. Leftist culture didn't take root in my household, though it took root in nyc where I was raised.


117 posted on 09/25/2005 12:10:20 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: wardaddy

LOL. I heard Catholic school girls are throwing away their mascara...


118 posted on 09/25/2005 12:11:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: dennisw
Bob Dylan is an easy target for uninformed conservatives because he was part of that dreaded 60s counterculture movement and because in his early career, he wrote a bunch of whiney anti-war songs and was the darling of the Birkenstock/Woodstock generation.

However, the true story is much more complicated than that.

Bob Dylan ranks among the greatest songwriters that America has ever produced. His body of work is consistently good right up to the present day. He was recording before The Beatles and he is still recording three and a half decades after The Beatles broke up!

Bob Dylan's "left-wing credentials" is also questionable as any reader of his latest autobiography will attest. It seems that Dylan is as tired of the granola-eating, commie, America-hating crowd as we all are. Maybe Dylan is not a dyed-in-the-wool conservative but he's not all that bad a guy either. And his immeasurable talent is unquestioned.

119 posted on 09/25/2005 12:13:20 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks Doc.


120 posted on 09/25/2005 12:14:37 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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