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Botched abortion kills both mother & baby
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/24/05 | Dr. Kelly Hollowell

Posted on 09/24/2005 2:08:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless. Then we would have a very serious problem on our hands. In nations where abortions are illegal, just as many are performed on the black market compared to the nations that it legalized. Just something to consider.

~Scott~


41 posted on 09/24/2005 5:17:14 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. Scott Davis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub ... Hollywood's Next Action Hero)
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To: nerdgirl
In Colorado a few years back, it was legal to abort at 32 weeks--on demand, no "health of the mother" exception or anything.

When you allow for "health of the mother" exceptions, killing the unborn is probably legal right up to birth in most of our bloodthirsty country.

42 posted on 09/24/2005 5:18:34 PM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
Ah, yes...the coat hanger myth. One of my favorites.

I'd love to see a photograph of the piles of women who died from botched abortions pre-RvW.

You know what most women did before RvW? They kept their legs crossed at the knees.

43 posted on 09/24/2005 5:22:45 PM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: grellis; jscottdavis_for_48th_district
We will never get an accurate count of the number of mothers who have died as the result of abortions since Roe v. Wade, the culture of death will never allow these statistics to be gathered. However, I have grave doubts as to whether 40 million+ babies were murdered in "back alley" abortions.

The entire "coat hanger" myth has been created to mislead people from the real truth, and that is that abortion would not be made illegal if Roe v. Wade is overturned. All that would happen is that the individual states would have their Constitutional rights restored.

44 posted on 09/24/2005 5:29:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: nerdgirl
since when is it legal to abort at 28 weeks?

Since 1973, when Roe v Wade became the law of the land. It became legal to abort up to the moment of birth for any reason in every state in the country. It's only been since 1989 when the Webster decision came out of the Supreme Court that states could begin putting very very limited restrictions back on the procedure. Since 1989, very few states have been able to get laws past their courts.

45 posted on 09/24/2005 5:33:44 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: DJ MacWoW
And the emotional scars are even more common than the physical ones.
46 posted on 09/24/2005 5:39:53 PM PDT by sanemom
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To: wagglebee; grellis

..... actually, I only support the right to an abortion as a last resort. I believe that it is a woman's right to have an abortion performed if she was raped, the birth might harm her physically or mentally, or she has it very early on in the term. We don't want our ladies sneaking across the border to have an abortion in some dingy garage someplace.

~Scott~


47 posted on 09/24/2005 5:41:20 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. Scott Davis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub ... Hollywood's Next Action Hero)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
By your reasoning then, there were almost a half a million illegal abortions per year performed in the year before Roe v. Wade?

IN 1972, according to CDC, there were 586,000 abortions performed.

Are you claiming that in 1970 there were 500,000 illegal abortions?

49 posted on 09/24/2005 5:54:29 PM PDT by ikka
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To: wagglebee
For me, being disabled it has a certain poignancy. I was born long before Roe, so I guess I am lucky. We live in a culture that is hostile to life. A culture that feared God would attach absolute value to human life. Instead, we kill any one who doesn't look perfect. And we wonder why we suffer for our sins. Hello, is any one out there listening?

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
50 posted on 09/24/2005 6:00:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wagglebee
Scorecard for Saturday:
(Invalid if and only if hurricanes are not an act of God)

God -- 30 abortion clinics closed Saturday(some still underwater)

Abortion clinics in Southeast Texas and La -- 0

God -- casinos destroyed by Katrina and Rita

Gambling industry -- 0 (and hoping the casinos in Shreveport and Baton Rouge don't get flooded out by Rita).

It is unclear if any of the Casinos in Baton Rouge and Shreveport were doing as much business as normal -- Baton Rouge had about 8 inches of rain yesterday (Friday night/early Saturday), and Shreveport is getting hammered today/tonight...

51 posted on 09/24/2005 6:05:46 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: bobbdobbs

"The maternal mortality rate is six times higher during natural childbirth than from an abortion"

Childbirth is natural. Abortion is not. Any death caused by the overwhelming majority of abortions is worse, by comparison, because it is usually unnecessary and is birth control by infanticide.


52 posted on 09/24/2005 6:07:35 PM PDT by GOPJL (gopjl)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
It might be much, much safer for the women. The botched abortion of September 5, 1998 at Delta Women's Clinic resulted in a Louisiana law passed that required health inspections for abortion mills (clinics).

You dog or cat have much more sanitary conditions at a vet clinic than at an abortion mill.

Most abortionists are those that flunked out of med school or are from some foreign country.

53 posted on 09/24/2005 6:08:29 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: grellis
The 1973 Supreme Court decision Doe vs Bolton makes it legal to abort a baby when a woman goes into labor, i.e., anytime during the pregnancy.

Roe vs. Wade make abortion legal, Doe vs. Bolton established that a baby can be aborted at any time during the pregnancy -- 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester...

54 posted on 09/24/2005 6:11:02 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: nerdgirl
Since the US Supreme Court decision of Doe vs Bolton in 1973 (companion decision to Roe vs Wade).

If in the 9th month of pregnancy, a woman/girl goes into labor, they can go to an abortion clinic to have an abortion, according to the law. States have passed restrictions, but not all states...

55 posted on 09/24/2005 6:13:01 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: ikka
Abortion was legal in some states before 1973. The point of Roe vs Wade is that overtuned abortion laws in all states with the judgement of only 7 men in the United States.

These 7 men were our Supreme beings of in-Justice.

56 posted on 09/24/2005 6:14:47 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: wagglebee
From the article:

In Christin's case, she was taken by her family at 28 weeks pregnant to Wichita, Kan., to the infamous abortion clinic of Dr. George Tiller.

Commonly referred to as Tiller the killer.

However, he is a great ICON of the liberal left media...

57 posted on 09/24/2005 6:18:49 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: ROTB
I know the chances for breast cancer are 100% for anyone having an abortion who is from a family that has a history of abortion. I forget how the odds rise post abortion for other mothers.

What?

58 posted on 09/24/2005 6:33:57 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: ikka

I don't know that exact numbers, but I support abortion early in the term (and as a last resort).

~Scott~


59 posted on 09/24/2005 6:41:22 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. Scott Davis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub ... Hollywood's Next Action Hero)
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To: topher

Our nation needs to enforce a high level of standards for those that perform abortions.

~Scott~


60 posted on 09/24/2005 6:43:51 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. Scott Davis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub ... Hollywood's Next Action Hero)
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