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To: LadyDoc

Well, the entire "inate" defense as to homosexuality represents mere social, liberal reconditioning, not academic truth. There's no proven biological process yet identified (if ever) that supports the "inate" issue as to homosexuality.

It is so far identified as behavioral, as are other manifestations of obsessive-compulsive and/or even psychotic disorders, but instead wrongly instructed by way of liberal, social ideology alone to be "inate."

Calling it so does not prove it so, in the realm of scientific process. The entire approach ("homosexuality is inate, people can't chose or control who they are" line of argument) is entirely IDEOLOGICAL in nature, by definition, mere ideology being instructed without scientific substantion, without empirical proof.

And, without empirical proof, it remains suggestion, conjecture, or, plainly for those who have some need to promote this issue, an act of "wishful thinking."

Unfortunately, the wishfully-thoughtout ideology has been allowed to be promoted through our public educational system but it remains unsubstantiated as to fact.


65 posted on 09/24/2005 8:03:40 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS

ted kennedy, dick durbin and john kerry, and nancy pelosi will not stand for this.. (hehe)


66 posted on 09/24/2005 8:04:59 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: BIRDS

The only "proof" I have is my cousin. He's a twin, so he has had extremely similar experiences to his brother. They played the same sports, went to the same schools, dated some of the same girls (!) but I've known he was "different" since before I could understand quite why. At 10 or 11 his twin claims he knew his brother was gay. It would take another 10 or so years for the gay twin to figure it out. (FYI, they live in a very conservative family and community, so there was not social or cultural push to be gay. There was also no abuse according to either which would figure into the equation.) I have viewed homosexuality very differently ever since I learned of this man's predilictions.

Human sexuality and development are so complex that we cannot fully comprehend the factors which influence each. Maybe there is some combination of inborn and innate factors involved in homosexuality.


69 posted on 09/24/2005 8:13:58 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: BIRDS
Well, the entire "inate" defense as to homosexuality represents mere social, liberal reconditioning, not academic truth

Do you consider heterosexuality to be "innate" or did you have to make a conscious choice at any time in your life to BE heterosexual? Do you have to think about it and make the choice again on a day to day basis?

81 posted on 09/25/2005 12:21:25 AM PDT by jess35
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Re "innate"
You are mixing hard science with developmental psychology.

Many gays have strong mothers and absent fathers...or decide they are "Gay" because they feel like outsiders and then are seduced into a gay lifestyle.

Sexuality is malleable, and if a culture starts a boy having sex with men, he may be bisexual. If he longs for a father figure, and then is seduced into a warm, loving gay relationship because he is lonely, he will be gay. And if a child starts taking alcohol and marijuana at age 11, with peer pressure saying getting high is good, the rate of addiction is much higher than if he merely puffed a joint in college...

But there is also in born tendencies...

In all populations, one percent of men are gay...many quite effeminite. Many cultures have ways for them to stay integrated into society without letting them be considered "normal"...here in the PHilippines, gay men as hairdressers etc are ridiculed, but not ostracized, since they are free in these professions...but bisexual men are usually married...and this group is discouraged from acting on their impulses...they have a choice...

Because gays assume this second group is "Gay" they condemn those trying to cure the first group...and because Evangelicals assume the first group have a choice, they condemn those who are fully gay...

Unless you separate those who have no choice, and those who have both impulses, but are free to choose heterosexuality, you will keep getting arguments....

Theoretically, a man who is merely tempted but able to stay pure because he is the second group will be a good priest...but a man who says he is "gay" has already made the decision to follow a gay lifestyle...and should be eliminated from the priesthood...

Alas, many gays who don't want to be gay pray a lot and join monasteries or the priesthood to cope with their temptations...similarly, they marry a woman not out of love but to be "cured"....in both cases, the decisions are made from fear, not love...


98 posted on 09/25/2005 3:09:06 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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