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To: Pessimist; satchmodog9

Some of the people here are mainly into politics as a sport. All they care about is there side winning, without regard to the kind of gvt they end up with.

Others seem to care mainly about particular social issues (abortion, gay amrriage), but don't otherwise care about the size or scope of gvt.



You've struck gold with those observations whether you realize it or not.

You've accurately painted a picture of the two 800-lb gorrilla political parties, and, what differentiates them.

The Democrats excel at "coalition-building". They are damn good at it. They target disparate "disenfranchised" groups (ever so discretely ENSURING that the groups OBSESS on their "disenfrancisemen", and, reinforcing it so that it becomes a steady-state condition).

And, they DELIVER for their coaltion.

The Republicans, on the other hand, go after the "football fan" part of the brain. They stir up THEIR "followers" using the same "Yay, team!" groupthink that consistently delivers billions of dollars to the sports industry.

Any "promises" THEY make are vague, with the only REAL "promise" being "victory" -- IF "the team" will "hold together" NO MATTER WHAT.

Thus, for the Democrats, it's a quid pro quo in terms of "you vote us into power, and we'll deliver you the goods". And for the Republicans, the quid pro quo is "if you remain LOYAL to the TEAM, we will march ahead to VICTORY!"

Two entirely different mindsets. Both are disgusting, base, vile, and dehumanizing. Only ONE of them has any REAL payoff, though -- despicable as it may be.

Because the GOP is VERY weak in the coalition-building department, it will never go beyond offering vague, halfhearted "promises" (generally "promises" to TRY, rather than to DELIVER), and, when there is dissention among the ranks (over the FAILURE to deliver), the "ranks" are demonized, ridiculed, attacked, and accused of infidelity, in that the ONE thing that DOES "matter" (in the GOP brand of groupthink) -- "team loyalty" -- is challenged BY any efforts to "hold their feet to the fire."

Sorry, I don't see any happy ending to this story.


74 posted on 09/25/2005 9:55:21 PM PDT by Tom Thumbs
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To: Tom Thumbs
I see happy endings. One thing that conservatives are good at is nit picking. That is a good thing because that type of scrutiny is like the type of tweaking that goes into making a winning race car. With each of us pushing to make the Republican Party the best it can be, we have hope that it will do all that we want it to do. We must be patient. Like race cars, there are limits to performance.
83 posted on 09/25/2005 11:17:35 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Tom Thumbs; Pessimist
The problem also lies in the GOP needing to do things to grow government to keep up with the RATS. If the GOP doesn't grow government and its programs, they lose out because the other party will show them as being uncaring. This is unfortunate because it proves a majority of our nation has been conditioned to be grabbers and budding socialists. Any time the RATS propose legislation and the GOP counters, the RATS get their way. Once the program is started, it can only grow and the RATS know it. If they want a department of natural disasters and the GOP counters with a department of hurricanes, the department will eventually morph into what the RATS want and then some. It is a sad state when government tries to manage everything instead of focusing on their constitutional duties.
88 posted on 09/26/2005 5:43:30 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Tom Thumbs

Well put!

Particularly the point about their promises being generally understood as vague statements of intention rather than actual pledges.


89 posted on 09/26/2005 8:25:57 AM PDT by Pessimist
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