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To: bobbdobbs
> ID has no scientific core.

Yeah it does. Same scientific core which says that when you look at a Ferrari engine with two rows of double overhead cams and six double barrel downdraft Webber carburators, you figure it was designed and engineered, and didn't just happen somehow or other.

Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened. In other words, given enough time, all of that metal and oil and rubber and copper wire and what not will just sort of come together.

8 posted on 09/24/2005 7:40:20 AM PDT by tamalejoe
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To: tamalejoe

No you are forgetting the core principal of ID. Whereas a scientist would take apart the engine and discover how it works the ID'er would accept the engine exists and ponder the wonder of it.

ID removes all investigation as everything is Gods (lets call it what it is) design, no need to look deeper than that. If you don't understand something blame ID and walk away.

Sad


13 posted on 09/24/2005 8:00:25 AM PDT by JNL
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To: tamalejoe

Bravo!

That's one of the best, and most easily understood, analogies to get the essence of ID into the heads of even the clueless intellectuals.


28 posted on 09/24/2005 9:39:29 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: tamalejoe

Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened. In other words, given enough time, all of that metal and oil and rubber and copper wire and what not will just sort of come together.

The TOE says no such thing about engines or biological systems. But I'm sure you've heard that before and just ignore it.

31 posted on 09/24/2005 9:43:31 AM PDT by ml1954
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To: tamalejoe
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened. In other words, given enough time, all of that metal and oil and rubber and copper wire and what not will just sort of come together

Don't forget adaptation. After a few billion years we would get a sub-species of SUV's.. due to rough terrain/environment. :)

39 posted on 09/24/2005 11:00:23 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: tamalejoe
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened.

Wrong! The first criteria of Darwin's Theory is replication. Unless you can show me two Ferrari engines get together and produce a liter of little baby Ferrari engines, you're just blabbering more of the ignorance that's so typical of anti-science myth worshipers.

45 posted on 09/24/2005 11:44:54 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: tamalejoe
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened.

A very, very generous metaphor. I don't think I would have been that generous. I think I would have used the Chevy Vega....

48 posted on 09/24/2005 11:56:34 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: tamalejoe
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened.

Actually wouldn't it be creationism (or spontaneous generation) that says it "just happened," that is to say not by a natural or creaturely mechanisms, themselves mediated by more fundamental and general natural laws (like newly evolved species or manufactured engines) but by divine miracle or divinely ordained and spontaneous fiat of nature?

92 posted on 09/24/2005 4:23:24 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: tamalejoe

You mean just sort of happened over a long period of time as a result of interacting with the environment according the the laws of nature.

Things evolved, that's obvious if you look at the many layers of rock that have been laid down, and the many different creatures that can be found in those layers.

Sure, God is responsible for everything.
That doesn't mean God must be taught in Science classes, any more than God must be taught in Math classes.


224 posted on 09/24/2005 7:52:56 PM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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