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“Weldon is a controversial figure who is vice chairman of the House homeland security and armed services committees and is known for carrying a replica of a suitcase nuclear bomb.

Ever notive that in most MSM/DNC articles on Weldon/Able Danger(the few they write)... he's always portrayed as a little 'unstable'? I believe when Weldon handed Hadley 'the chart'... Hadley said something like... “I 'gotta show this to the chief”.

1 posted on 09/24/2005 3:44:37 AM PDT by johnny7
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He never had the chart so he couldn't have shown it to "the Chief".....Right?

If the Senator is right about this, and Bush saw it, then he is in trouble. Following on from that is who else is in trouble for "canning" the able danger project. I think that includes Clinton and his minions, and that is why the powers that be want to keep a lid on this,Democrat and Republican.


2 posted on 09/24/2005 3:53:33 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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The problem with the Washington Post coverage of the story is that they are protecting their owner's friends.

I wouldn't trust anything they said on this one ~ pro or con!

3 posted on 09/24/2005 3:55:52 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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The Pentagon was ordered to destroy something that this guy never saw? too many lies here.


5 posted on 09/24/2005 4:28:58 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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Boy, they're starting in early on the trashing of this story. But the essentials are intact. There was an Able Danger program, it apparently identified Atta, and the data was destroyed because of DOD/Justice regulations.


6 posted on 09/24/2005 4:54:10 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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Ever notice that in most MSM/DNC articles on Weldon/Able Danger(the few they write)... he's always portrayed as a little 'unstable'?
 
I would hardly call Curt Weldon 'unstable'!
http://web.archive.org/web/20000819123839/www.house.gov/curtweldon/pr_072399.htm
Excerpt...
 
Weldon Calls for DOE Secretary Richardson's Resignation
in Wake of Blockbuster New Revelations
Sandia National Lab sold a $9 million supercomputer to a Chinese national for $30,000 
The current location of one of the most capable U.S. supercomputers is not known
      
        WASHINGTON, DC -- Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA), a member of the Cox Committee, called for the
resignation of Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson today.  The call for the Secretary's resignation comes in the wake of a report by Insight Magazine today that Sandia National Laboratory sold an Intel Paragon XPS supercomputer in October to a Chinese national who specializes in exporting advanced U.S. goods to China.  

7 posted on 09/24/2005 5:11:52 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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Weldon Article from the RNC's Rising Tide: The China Connection -- Why Clinton-Gore Cannot Be Trusted with National Security (09/28/99)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000129022600/www.house.gov/curtweldon/oped_sum99.htm

 

Published in the Summer 1999 

Issue of the RNC's Rising Tide


The China Connection
Why Clinton-Gore Cannot Be Trusted with National Security

By Congressman Curt Weldon

             The Chinese espionage scandal and wholesale auctioning of sensitive technologies to China should erase any doubt in the minds of Americans that President Bill Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore are not to be trusted with our country's national security.  

             The dark legacy left by the Clinton-Gore Administration will place the lives of Americans at greater risk for generations to come.  Under the Clinton-Gore watch China stole classified thermonuclear weapons information, stole electromagnetic weapons technology that it can use to attack U.S. satellites and missiles, and stole classified research that can be used to detect and threaten our previously invulnerable nuclear submarines.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  

            But China did more than just steal information form the United States.  Through a complex system of influence peddling and campaign contributions, China was also able to obtain relaxations on exports on a wide variety of sensitive technologies.  In other words, the Clinton-Gore Administration gave away sensitive technologies to China in order to please big donors to the Democrat Party.     

             The relaxation of export controls, removal of national security agencies from the export approval process, and the dissolution of an international forum for controlling the transfer of military technologies under the Clinton-Gore Administration created an environment ripe for mistakes and abuse.  It was the equivalent of setting out the welcome mat for the Chinese to gain access -- completely legally -- to our most sensitive technologies.  

             And the Chinese certainly took advantage of the situation.  China -- which until 1996 had no high-performance computers to help design nuclear weapons -- had over 600 high performance computers in 1998, all originating from the United States.  The Chinese have also obtained access to precision machine tools that it diverted to build military aircraft, cruise missiles, and nuclear weapons.

               The seriousness of this matter is compounded by the fact that China is one of the world's worst proliferators of military technologies.  It is likely that this technology will soon find its way into the hands of countries like North Korea, Iran, and Iraq.

              Given the serious ramifications of the findings and recommendations of the bipartisan Cox Report, one would think that the American people could expect a serious, thoughtful response from the Clinton-Gore Administration.  Instead, all we have seen are Administration attempts to "spin" the report and attempts to convince the American public that the President and Vice-President bear no responsibility for what has happened.

                 But they do.  It was the Clinton-Gore Administration that eliminated FBI background checks at some of our most sensitive weapons laboratories.  It was the Clinton-Gore Administration that eliminated color-coded employee ID badges -- denoting clearance levels -- at classified Department of Energy laboratories.  It was the Clinton-Gore Administration that reinstated the security clearance of an employee being investigated for giving out sensitive and classified information.  And it was the Clinton-Gore Administration that allowed the exports of these sensitive technologies. 

                But President Clinton and Vice President Gore have spent more energy trying to cover their butts than closing the barn door.  The Administration has cracked down on the brave employees within the Departments of Defense and Energy who blew the whistle on the ineptitude of Clinton's political appointees and flawed policy toward China.  Meanwhile, the people who bear the blame for the damage to our national security are walking away scott-free.

                  It is important to note, however, that the recent scandal does not mean that we should completely cut off relations with China or end trade.  The United States can continue to engage in meaningful trade relations and the export of materials to China.  But we have to be smart about it.  We can't be giving China access to technologies that endanger our national security.  The Clinton-Gore Administration left the flood gates wide open.  There is a middle ground and we need to find it.  On the issue of our political relations with China, we need to return to Ronald Reagan's principled approach to foreign policy: trust but verify.  

                  If the Clinton-Gore Chinese espionage has taught us anything, we must learn that our military secrets and technology require constant vigilance and safeguarding.  And President Clinton and Vice President Gore are not to be trusted with that oversight. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXWeldon Article from Insight Magazine: Newstand Nukes -- DOE Secretary Hazel O'Leary gave away the W-87 diagram to U.S. News and World Report; Classified design of nuclear warhead made availble to every foreign intelligence agency (8/3/99) http://web.archive.org/web/20000128233512/www.house.gov/curtweldon/oped_082399.htm


9 posted on 09/24/2005 5:21:13 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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Why did Hadley wait until now to deny a claim that Weldon has been making for months?? Indeed, this ADanger thing stinks to high heaven


11 posted on 09/24/2005 5:35:06 AM PDT by gaspar
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With these Wash-compost statements, the reporter-and-well-placed-bureaucrat network run by the political class is expanding the coverup.

Weldon and others who have made the charges have contradicted themselves or provided shifting explanations for important details at the heart of the case, according to interviews, news reports, transcripts and hearing testimony.

which begins the "swift boat vets" smear of Weldon.

Investigators and counterterrorism experts also find it improbable -- if not impossible -- that an obscure Defense Department program that used open-source records could identify Atta by name and photograph in early 2000, when he was living in Germany under a different name and had yet to obtain a U.S. visa.

This point, which the compost obtained from its federal bureacratic sources is absolute bureaucratic coverup. Real intelligence analysts know and expect that Atta would have likely travelled under more than one assumed name and with more than one forged passport. While "living in Germany" (where he was not under 24/7/365 survielence) he could have travelled to anywhere in the world, including the U.S. It is only the idiots on the 9/11 commission that would need to have Atta entering the U.S. on a "Mohammed Atta" passport.

Then they really start blowing the smoke, with:

While Pentagon investigators never found such a chart, they did uncover two other interesting diagrams: One from 1999 included the name and photograph of Mohammed Atef -- not Atta -- a well-known al Qaeda lieutenant. Another included the photo of a convicted terrorist named Eyad Ismoil, an Egyptian who bears a resemblance to Atta -- and who, unlike Atta, was part of the Brooklyn cell tied to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

And

Investigators and experts say those two charts could explain how a handful of military officers and civilians may have come to mistakenly believe they identified Atta. Atta's Florida driver's license photo from the summer of 2000 has become an icon of the attacks, and the lead hijacker has been the subject of many dubious claims and sightings.

My personal view is that "Atta" is only the tip of the iceberg on what Able-Danger did show and what it had the ability to do. Last week, until the end of the week (had to get their story out to the Wash-compost), the Pentagon was not going to allow the "testimony", and now (the Weldon smear is out) as of late Thrusday or Friday, they've changed their minds and will let the testimony be heard (in closed session I think). My personal view is that through the Pentagon bureacrats in that hearing, the political class is going to start taking Weldon to the woodshed. Clinton's people, GB-II's people and possibly GB-I's people are implicated, and those implications, I think, are more than just being negligent.

The best laid planes of mice and men often go astray, particularly at the nexus of our intelligence apparatus, and those with whom it is necessary for that apparatus to have friends, acquaintences and alliances.

We have been told that our human intelligence has been weak for a long time, yet we seem to have always known where Bin Laden was and alot of what he was up to; we identified the exact Al Queda culprits fairly quickly in most of the terrorist acts on us in the 1990s and before the dust settled in Manhatten we knew the identities of all 19 hijackers and an awful lot about them.

Yet by the media and official sources we are led to believe we have never had anyone inside Al Queda?

15 posted on 09/24/2005 6:46:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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Oh, I get it. There was no such thing as Able Danger. But, then again, there was. And if there was, well, they never identified Atta. Or maybe they did. And there was no chart.

That's just crazy talk, see?

21 posted on 09/24/2005 7:31:48 AM PDT by Reactionary
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The whole attempt to put the kiboosh on the facts and slander or ruin anyone coming forward reminds me very much of the tactics still employed against those who would hold the the RC Church and its Cardinals accountable for the rampant sex abuse and more rampant institutionalized cover-ups. Especially as the Federal Grand Jury in Philadelphia discovered in the last few years -- as now being reported in the Philadelphia papers.
34 posted on 09/24/2005 5:12:12 PM PDT by bvw
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""Mr. Hadley does not recall any chart bearing the name or photo of Mohamed Atta," said the spokesman,"

Hadley doesn't say he never saw it, only that he doesn't remember seeing it.


40 posted on 11/20/2005 7:33:09 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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