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To: hombre_sincero

I love the term supernatural. If it is a phenomenon that occurs and is inexplicable, by current standards, it is still a phenomenon.

OTOH, if it is not observable, by current standards, it is not a phenomenon. It is not a very useful term.

But folks sure bandy it about pretty loosely.

DK


5 posted on 09/22/2005 8:44:43 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
if it is not observable, by current standards, it is not a phenomenon

With respect, this is word salad--I cannot fathom your point here.

Atoms are not directly observable, but close scientific observation of a range of phenomena allow us to infer, not only their existence, but their properties, and to make accurate predications of their behaviour.

What 'unobservable phenomena' do you mean to indicate?

34 posted on 09/23/2005 2:33:47 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Dark Knight
Let's start this thing over

I love the term supernatural. If it is a phenomenon that occurs and is inexplicable, by current standards, it is still a phenomenon.

OTOH, if it is not observable, by current standards, it is not a phenomenon. It is not a very useful term.
The reason ID is accused of invoking supernatural causes is precisely because it doesn't deal with phenomena. It examines a state -- the existence of complex objects -- and posits a history that cannot be studied or described or subjected to any kind of evidentiary search.

If ID produces an actual hypothesis, a history that can be tested for congruency with the laws of physics and chemistry, then it can claim to be a science.

143 posted on 09/23/2005 4:26:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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