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To: BIRDS
I hope that any/all homosexuals who are in the Priesthood now do depart. It would be a big good step and a start afresh for everyone.

If they're celibate, why should they?

There is no indication that a witch hunt for homosexuals in the priesthood will take place.

95 posted on 09/22/2005 10:50:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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To: sinkspur

Please try to read the thread because that point has been answered several times over.

No one suggests a 'witch hunt' unless you feel, specifically, that homosexuals are "witches" and that suggesting homosexuals in the Priesthood at present leave the Church consists of "hunting" them.

No one's said that. However, the article quotes some homosexuals who are Priests at present as being disgruntled and suggesting they would "leave" the Priesthood and the response here by most of us has been, go ahead, leave. It would probably make them happier and would make the rest of the Church happier, is the point -- any Priest that would threaten to leave and be that unhappy in his work, should leave the Priesthood or at least take a sabbatical and rethink their vocation.

If it's a vocation God has intended, they will stay and their work and person will be honorable to God.

However, as to future enrollments in the Seminaries and consequently ordainatiion later in the Priesthood, the Pope is instructing that no homosexuals be admitted and later ordained. There's much support for that and most especially, scriptural support for that.

Celibacy is one aspect of a person. A homosexual who is celibate is still homosexual, they still possess and are possessed by that presence, to use an expression here. Popular culture insists that homosexuality is parallel with heterosexuality and sex is sex is sex but that isn't what the bible instructs nor what is believed by us Catholics and by most other Christians.

However, within the realm of both, celibacy is but one aspect to and about a person. To be specific here, however, sexuality for homosexuals is approached far differently than by heterosexuals, from what I've read and heard, etc. There's a difference in approach to and about many aspects of human life between a homosexual perspective and that of a heterosexual and in my own life, from people I've worked with who were homosexual, I can certainly atest to that that there are miles of differences between the two.

Just by your question alone, you're into an area of excess that is noteworthy, suggesting "witch hunts" and such.

I'll repeat this: a Priest represents Christ to the faithful as Jesus Christ represents love and Savior to his Church. Jesus Christ is the son of God and God the Father says that homosexuality is abominable, an abomination, worse to Him in His eyes than just about anything else, and about which there is a terrible penalty to follow. Christ is holy as God is holy and a human being declaring affiliation with the abominable standing in the place of holiness is therefore a terrible abomination in and of itself. That's how many people perceive the issue, literally and homosexuals in the Priesthood, although celibate, still affiliate as homosexuals -- litarally, with and as the abominable. Therefore, it is an issue of grace in the Priesthood that is questionable and leads to further deterioration of the Priesthood, much moreso by behaviors that may and sometimes do ensue.


102 posted on 09/22/2005 11:25:58 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: sinkspur

Please try to read the thread because that point has been answered several times over.

No one suggests a 'witch hunt' unless you feel, specifically, that homosexuals are "witches" and that suggesting homosexuals in the Priesthood at present leave the Church consists of "hunting" them.

No one's said that. However, the article quotes some homosexuals who are Priests at present as being disgruntled and suggesting they would "leave" the Priesthood and the response here by most of us has been, go ahead, leave. It would probably make them happier and would make the rest of the Church happier, is the point -- any Priest that would threaten to leave and be that unhappy in his work, should leave the Priesthood or at least take a sabbatical and rethink their vocation.

If it's a vocation God has intended, they will stay and their work and person will be honorable to God.

However, as to future enrollments in the Seminaries and consequently ordainatiion later in the Priesthood, the Pope is instructing that no homosexuals be admitted and later ordained. There's much support for that and most especially, scriptural support for that.

Celibacy is one aspect of a person. A homosexual who is celibate is still homosexual, they still possess and are possessed by that presence, to use an expression here. Popular culture insists that homosexuality is parallel with heterosexuality and sex is sex is sex but that isn't what the bible instructs nor what is believed by us Catholics and by most other Christians.

However, within the realm of both, celibacy is but one aspect to and about a person. To be specific here, however, sexuality for homosexuals is approached far differently than by heterosexuals, from what I've read and heard, etc. There's a difference in approach to and about many aspects of human life between a homosexual perspective and that of a heterosexual and in my own life, from people I've worked with who were homosexual, I can certainly atest to that that there are miles of differences between the two.

Just by your question alone, you're into an area of excess that is noteworthy, suggesting "witch hunts" and such.

I'll repeat this: a Priest represents Christ to the faithful as Jesus Christ represents love and Savior to his Church. Jesus Christ is the son of God and God the Father says that homosexuality is abominable, an abomination, worse to Him in His eyes than just about anything else, and about which there is a terrible penalty to follow. Christ is holy as God is holy and a human being declaring affiliation with the abominable standing in the place of holiness is therefore a terrible abomination in and of itself. That's how many people perceive the issue, literally and homosexuals in the Priesthood, although celibate, still affiliate as homosexuals -- litarally, with and as the abominable. Therefore, it is an issue of grace in the Priesthood that is questionable and leads to further deterioration of the Priesthood, much moreso by behaviors that may and sometimes do ensue.


103 posted on 09/22/2005 11:26:23 PM PDT by BIRDS
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