Boat owners say they were fearful during Coast Guard search

The Monterey Herald ^ | September 18, 2005 | VIRGINIA HENNESSEY

[BykrBayb]

And by the way, thank you for your service.

[BraveMan]

This article needs some balance . . .

The CG saved my butt last year. We lost the engine while trolling, ten miles out on Lake Michigan. The swells at the time were 4'-5', which is pretty rough for the Big Pond.

After towing me back to the harbor and helping me tie off the CG crew never even boarded my vessel. The skipper and his crew were polite, courteous and highly professional. All told, it took up at least four hours of their time. It didn't cost me a dime.

The vessel owners in this article strike me as loud mouthed primadonnas out looking for trouble. My guess is they found what they were looking for.

[Chuckster]

Such whining!

I suspect that you would change your tune if a dozen uniformed officers armed with automatic weapons and a vehicle mounting a belt fed machine gun banged on your door and demanded to search your home in the middle of the night; officers, I might add, who have the authority to confiscate your home and everything in it or completely destroy it in the process of a "Search" and leave you standing in the street in your pajamas.

No warrant or probable cause required.

That is the authority the Coast Guard has over live-aboard boaters. There is no recourse, no appeal.

[Yakima]

And this is the way it will be as long as the US enforces it's right to maintain borders. Many people forget that a navigable waterway is a border. The rules are different on the border. If you want the 4th amendment live on land. Post 274 had the correct idea.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GodBlessUSA]

That's not my entire post and my other comments. Whether people can party/drink is not the issue, thats not the discussion. I was just pointing out these people who complained, we don't know what they were up to and how they responded to the Coast Guard Officers. Read, in the article posted after this one, same news story covered, it's right on this thread, 99% of the people had a positive response. Even in the first article, the man name Jones, who is complaining said, he could not complain about their professionalism. Which means, they were not nasty or harsh at all. It is possible they were investigating and they may not be sharing that with us.

They aren't entering your house. That has nothing to do with this Coast Guard article.

[Ramius]

Yes, that is the authority the Coast Guard has, and has had for many, many years. Notice how rarely it is ever the subject of a news story in even the leftist papers like this one.

[Travis McGee]

Your wonderfull Supreme Court has held these gun-point searches are legal.

Do you know the reasoning for not applying 4th amendment protections to these searches?

The USCG considers your boat, even a docked live-aboard in a marina, to be a "conveyance" and not a home. As a "conveyance" it is (in their eyes) a potential smuggler etc. They are quite free and easy about coming aboard any damn time they please, without a warrant or permission.

[William Tell]

GodBlessUSA said: "They have been doing it since prohibition"

That explains it all.

[PistolPaknMama]

This is insane! How does checking for oily water protect us from terrorists? Either its a safety inspection or a homeland security inspection. The two ain't the same! And I hardly think a safety inspection has to be done in the middle of the night. Thanks George Bush!

[Travis McGee]

Nope. See my last about a boat being a "Conveyance" not a home. NO warrant needed, as the USCG or ICE will gladly tell you, at gun point.

[PistolPaknMama]

You must be prepared for a safety inspection, this is not your average lake.

At gunpoint in the middle of the night?

[William Tell]

From the posted article: "... the operation resulted in the safest Labor Day on record on the Monterey Bay. "

I can believe that. I wouldn't go out on the water after such a rousting either.

[Travis McGee]

I agree. That orange chopper (or the white ship with the orange stripe) coming over the horizon while you are treading water is the best thing you will see in your life.

[Chuckster]

I don't understand the relevance of 274, but I do think that the government shouldn't have the right to cut up my home into little pieces looking for contraband because I didn't bow down low enough for some coastie and leave me with absolutely no recourse. I also think that officers of the government can be a little more polite to the people who pay their salaries. After all, they can afford to be when I'm standing on the dock in my pajamas and six young studs are covering me with their m16's.

A friend of mine had his boat destroyed by the Coast Guard drilling holes in the deck and breaking up the furniture, cutting down the rig and chopping up the mast looking for drugs that weren't there. Near as I can tell, his only offense was that he wasn't sufficiently respectful to the officer in charge of the boarding party. To add insult to injury, he was required to dispose of the derelict hulk at his own expense or face fines and possible jail time. Apparently, because they didn't find anything on the vessel, they didn't confiscate it. They gave it back to him.

He didn't even get an apology, but at least, they didn't put him in jail. In his case, not saying "Sir" cost him everything he had.

[Travis McGee]

That's true, and that's the way it is, when you live aboard a "conveyance" (as the legal beagles call our boats.)

I don't like it, but it's a fact of life.

[Ramius]

It's not so much the matter of what sort of "conveyance" it is. It is a border control issue. The area between the shore and 12 miles out is "the border". Anything in there is "on the border". It really is just that simple.

Are you (or anybody else) arguing that we should soften the borders and deny these powers to the Coast Guard?

[HairOfTheDog]

It's a clear case of "The Sheep" mistaking a "Sheep Dog" for a "Wolf".

Eject! Eject! Eject! Bump.

[Travis McGee]

Yep, that would suck. It happened more often during the Reagan "zero tolerance" days. Usually the USCG were pretty decent, it was Customs who were the aholes with the drills.

But what can you do about it? Personally, I "say sir." It ain't worth my boat getting drilled and dismantled.

Now, if I did "say sir," and they wrecked my boat....my pride and joy....all bets might be off. Nuff said.

[William Tell]

porkchops 4 mahound said: "It IS a shock to the lubber brain to ask them to understand that the instant you set foot upon the deck, the world is a different place, and that the rules, and laws, and customs of the sea, are NOT those of the land."

And if you step foot in an airport, then the rules are different. And if you drive your vehicle on a highway, then the rules are different. And if you carry "too much" cash, then the rules are different. And if a policeman asks for your name, you do NOT have the right to remain silent.

Yes, the rules are different and changing all the time. But not for the better.