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To: T. Jefferson

Different era, so your comparisions aren't valid.

Also, Ruth didn't play against or with Black, Latin or Asian players, nor did he have to face specialists, like Closers and Middle Relievers.

In those days, Pitchers went the entire 9 innings, so Ruth was facing the same old tired-armed Pitchers all season long.

Ruth was an out of shape lop who drank excessively and smoked and probably wouldn't even make a current Major League roster.


21 posted on 09/21/2005 8:40:33 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Ruth was an out of shape lop who drank excessively and smoked and probably wouldn't even make a current Major League roster.

You were okay until this. Ruth was a great athlete who did everything well except run, and even then it wasn't his speed that was the problem, but his judgment. Ruth was a notoriously aggressive baserunner, and most famously ran his team out of the 1926 World Series.

25 posted on 09/21/2005 8:47:43 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Different era, so your comparisions aren't valid.

Nonsense, the only accurate comparison is comparing your accomplishments versus your peers. (Jesse Owens' times in 1936 Olympics wouldn't make a high school team today, so his dominance over his peers doesn't count, huh.)

Also, Ruth didn't play against or with Black, Latin or Asian players, nor did he have to face specialists, like Closers and Middle Relievers.

He played against the best players available in the world at that time.

In those days, Pitchers went the entire 9 innings, so Ruth was facing the same old tired-armed Pitchers all season long.

Many would argue it was far harder back then. There were only 8 teams a league, so you were always playing against all-stars. There are so many teams now, half the pitchers today would barely have made the college team back then. Look at the eras of today's pitchers. Back then the mound was higher, and the strike zone enforced was armpits to knees. From 1970 to 2002 it was 1/2 to 1/3rd that size. The umps cherry picked HR pitches for the hitters to obnoxious levels.

Ruth was an out of shape lop who drank excessively and smoked and probably wouldn't even make a current Major League roster.

What are you smoking, he was 6'2" 198 solid rock for years, and regardless of his weight, his stats have no peers.

26 posted on 09/21/2005 9:14:21 PM PDT by T. Jefferson
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Also, Ruth didn't play against or with Black, Latin or Asian players...

Were there any good Black, Latin or Asian players back then that Ruth would have had to compete against if they had played in the major leagues?

In those days, Pitchers went the entire 9 innings, so Ruth was facing the same old tired-armed Pitchers all season long.

Actually, starting pitchers pitched complete games about 75% of the time during Ruth's era. Some of the starting pitchers that Ruth had to hit against were among the best in major league history, including Walter Johnson, Smokey Joe Wood, Eddie Cicotte, Lefty Grove, Chief Bender, Stan Coveleski, Dutch Leonard, Red Faber, Urban Shocker, and Red Ruffing.

Ruth was an out of shape lop who drank excessively and smoked and probably wouldn't even make a current Major League roster.

If you truly believe this, then you are ignorant about baseball.

81 posted on 09/22/2005 12:03:29 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Ruth was "an out of shape lop who drank excessively and smoked" . . . and still has more home runs than Bonds and also has a career 2.28 ERA (11th all-time among 20th Century pitchers with 1,000 or more innings pitched) and only 7.18 hits allowed per 9 innings (12th all-time among pitchers with 1,000 or more IP.

Ruth's juice was alcohol and cigarettes, Bonds is steroids and HGH and God-knows what else, and Ruth was STILL a better player. LOL


Bonds is so good he needs steroids and HGH and so forth just to catch up to only the batting exploits--but not the pitching greatness--of "an out-of-shape drunken smoking lop."

ROTFLOL


89 posted on 09/22/2005 1:47:57 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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