[higgmeister]

All of this is old news but I provide it for background.

DragonWare contained three parts:

Carnivore - A Windows NT/2000-based system that captures the information
Packeteer - No official information released, but presumably an application for reassembling packets into cohesive messages or Web pages
Coolminer - No official information released, but presumably an application for extrapolating and analyzing data found in the messages
As you can see, officials never released much information about the DragonWare Suite, nothing about Packeteer and Coolminer and very little detailed information about Carnivore. But we do know that Carnivore was basically a packet sniffer, a technology that is quite common and has been around for a while.

Echelon - This is a secret network rumored to be under development by the National Security Agency (NSA), supposedly designed to detect and capture packets crossing international borders that contain certain keywords, such as "bomb" or "assassination." There is no solid evidence to support the existence of Echelon. Many people confused this rumored system with the Carnivore system

I believe that there are National Security interests involved
with this Able Danger story that should prevent the details
from becoming public. We shouldn't want all of our surveillance
capabilities exposed on the floor of Congress. All that needs to
be said is, Clinton fiddled while OBL and his minions planned
for us to burn. Anything beyond that will just give airtime to
Leftist and Islamist Moon-bats and possibly giveaway to many
hints of our virtual battle plans.

If the NSA has Super Computer Sniffers butt-spliced to every
OC-192 pipe I don't want to give that information to every
enemy, foreign and domestic, that has free and clear access to
the Capitol Dome.

[Crim]

Echelon - This is a secret network rumored to be under development by the National Security Agency (NSA), supposedly designed to detect and capture packets crossing international borders that contain certain keywords, such as "bomb" or "assassination." There is no solid evidence to support the existence of Echelon. Many people confused this rumored system with the Carnivore system

Tha Aussies allready confirmed it's existence.

I know I pretty much speak for at least a few other when I say...

I dont give a crap how they found the information...I care about what the information IS...

We're talking potentially treasonous acts here man...We're told straight up that it was a lack of coherant intelligence...

Well that appears to be a bold faced lie...doesnt it...

Meaning it might very well have been the un-intended consequence of a political decision made out of self preservation...

Which also means that under the correct set of circumstances....it could happen again...

And not for lack of coherant inteligence...

[Chode]

data aquisition is the simple part to the point of data overload that brought about analysis paralysis...

it was the

STARLIGHT - Visual Information System http://starlight.pnl.gov/

and the

SPIRE - Visual TEST Analysis http://www.pnl.gov/infoviz/spire.pdf

that are the revolution and the heart of AbleDanger.

[nopardons]

bttt

[Don K]

I believe that there are National Security interests involved with this Able Danger story that should prevent the details from becoming public.

The building known as The Pentagon seems over eager to destroy/ignore AD's chart. In view of ongoing terrorist operations such as The Great Ramadan Offensive at the very least America needs to follow Zaid's suggestion to locate the remaining people on that chart.

[popdonnelly]

Okay, national security generally trumps all other issues. But Congress could investigate what the 9/11 Commission knew about Able Danger, and what the Commission did or didn't do about it. And none of the spook stuff would have to come out. The 9/11 Commission was a creature of Congress. I think a big issue here is how the 9/11 Commission dealt with the facts.