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Prop. 75 Puts Police on the Side of Liberals
LA Times ^ | 9/21/05 | Paul Pringle

Posted on 09/21/2005 11:33:58 AM PDT by Crackingham

Bob Baker is a union president and a Los Angeles police officer who considers himself generally conservative.

"Don't ever call a cop a liberal," said Baker, head of the Los Angeles Police Protective League.

He even blanches at the word "union," saying it reminds him of corrupt Teamster bosses. Baker, who often works in concert with liberal labor leaders, prefers "recognized bargaining unit."

So it goes with police unions, a hybrid of law-and-order conservatism and bread-and-butter liberalism. They may tilt Republican in party loyalty, but their labor representatives frequently turn to Democrats on matters such as pay and pensions.

That paradox is on stark display in the battle over Proposition 75, a November ballot measure that would require public employee unions to get members' written permission to spend their dues on political campaigns.

California police unions are mobilizing against the proposition and its largely conservative backers. They contend Proposition 75 is designed to make it hopelessly cumbersome for them to raise election funds.

"It's extremely unfair," said Baker, whose league represents 9,200 Los Angeles Police Department officers.

Proposition 75 supporters say the initiative is all about fairness, because the unions finance candidates and causes that many of their members might not favor — namely, Democratic ones.

"They're not always in agreement on where the money should go," said Allan Mansoor, an Orange County sheriff's deputy who is mayor of Costa Mesa. The Republican is among the relatively small number of peace officers who are vocally promoting Proposition 75.

Both Mansoor and the president of the Assn. of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs said that its about 1,700 members are predominantly Republican. Even so, the union endorsed then-Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat, for reelection in 2002. The association is now fighting Proposition 75.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: paycheckprotection; prop75

1 posted on 09/21/2005 11:34:00 AM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
Proposition 75 supporters say the initiative is all about fairness, because the unions finance candidates and causes that many of their members might not favor — namely, Democratic ones.

Which is the whole point. YES on 75.

2 posted on 09/21/2005 11:40:34 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: Crackingham

I am conservative, unless, of course, my pork is getting sliced...


3 posted on 09/21/2005 11:40:36 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Crackingham
They contend Proposition 75 is designed to make it hopelessly cumbersome for them to raise election funds.

Yeah, it's really gonna be cumbersome: the union would need to get a little slip of paper from the member saying, "Yes, you can take extra money (beyond costs of collective bargaining alone) out of my paycheck for political purposes." Wow. Cumbersome.

4 posted on 09/21/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Crackingham

Public sector unions are morally indistinguishable from organized criminal gangs.

And the police unions are armed.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 11:52:40 AM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: Crackingham
Both Mansoor and the president of the Assn. of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs said that its about 1,700 members are predominantly Republican. Even so, the union endorsed then-Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat, for reelection in 2002. The association is now fighting Proposition 75.

Geez, I wonder why the unions doesn't want this to pass? You'd think they were undemocractic or something...

6 posted on 09/21/2005 11:57:24 AM PDT by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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Bob Baker is a union president

Says it all !

why would rank & file object ?

7 posted on 09/21/2005 11:58:37 AM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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Go eat a donut and try not to sodomize somebody with a broomstick, pig.
8 posted on 09/21/2005 12:44:02 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Did I say that outloud?)
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Notice how this union thug is talking about the "Union" and not the rank and file members. The "Union" endorsed Gay Davis, the rank and file voted for the other guy...Aaahhnold.

Once upon a time very few would have caught this double-speak. Today we catch it because we've been ejumacated..(educated)
9 posted on 09/21/2005 1:00:51 PM PDT by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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"Yeah, it's really gonna be cumbersome: the union would need to get a little slip of paper from the member saying, "Yes, you can take extra money (beyond costs of collective bargaining alone) out of my paycheck for political purposes." Wow. Cumbersome. "

More liberal doublespeak and lying. It's no more cumbersome than requiring proof of identity when voting. Everyone has ID but the liberals still claim that requiring ID will "disenfranchise poor blacks." Bull honkey.

What ticks me off is not that the Dems try these arguments. There are scoundrels in even the best of societies. What ticks me off is that the MSM doesn't ever question the fallacious reasoning and arguments. They just print it. The headline reads, "Proposition will disenfranchise minorities, some say" instead of "Democrats promote weak argument to proposition."

If the media did its job and held the Dems accountable, they wouldn't try these lame arguments.

10 posted on 09/21/2005 2:38:40 PM PDT by tom h
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The cops are just another gang.

How about all the CHP who are cheating the disability rules.?

Some people are more equal that others.


11 posted on 09/21/2005 7:43:25 PM PDT by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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