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To: keithtoo

"If you are a thinking Catholic, Evolution should not be 'easy' for you. First of all, it is a postulation, not a a proven, or even provable belief. Secondly, if their was never a Fall, then their is no need of a Savior. If we are only getting better all the time, all we have to do is wait. None of that messy Cross or Salvation stuff is needed."

What does the process by which God made us have to do with the sinful nature, the fall of each and every man?

Read Genesis very, very carefully and realize what it is: it is autobiographical. It is the story of YOUR life, from creation, through awakening to good and evil, and the fall that comes from that. And how you cannot go home to that innocence again, ever.
The Gospels do tell you how you can reconcile to God.

Genesis 1 is not a history of an ancient past. It is the literal autobiography of your own early years of life. Of every single man's and woman's. That is what God meant by it. Indeed, it is the most intensely personal aspect of the whole Bible, aimed by God directly at telling our own personal story to each of us.
We are born naked and innocent, and we awaken to shame and discover we are naked, and with sin, and we hide from God and are banished from that free and easy association we had with Him when we were very tiny and still remembered what God was like. We grow. We become strong, and violent. We are forced to earn our living by the sweat of our brow. We are tempted into many sins, many sins. And we die. Adam. Eve. You. Me.
That is what Genesis is. The story of you and Your Own Fall. And Mine. And His and Hers.
Read it again and remember that.

Then turn to the Gospels and focus on what God had to say to us when He came to Earth in the flesh, because that's what matters now.

Bickering over the biological origins of life and how we descended from primates, or not, because of sentences of Genesis that are really about YOU and not biology texts, takes us away from God and from each other. We already went astray in our youth. Genesis reminds us all about it, that moment when our individual innocence ended, we KNEW good from evil, but we chose the evil because it tasted EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD (didn't it?). And then we were ashamed and clothed ourselves.

We all fell.
We almost all remember it, more or less.
Let's face the truth and not try to cast Genesis 1 off into ancient history, as though it's not relentlessly telling the story of our own individual lives, naked before the whole world.
Because that's what it's about.


52 posted on 09/20/2005 6:22:16 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

Are you making this stuff up? I have been a Christian for 30 plus years, am an avid student of the bible, and have NEVER heard that interpretation of Genesis. When in doubt, read the bible literally unless it clearly indicates the author intended that portion to be poetry or some sort of literary device (like using metaphors or similes). Sort of like "she runs like the wind" or "fast as lightning"...those are very obviously not meant to be literal. Same with the bible.

I became a Christian on faith but it is the bible that keeps me from doubting. It is the most amazing ancient document ever for many many reasons. When in doubt, who you gonna believe, one disillusioned guy named Darwin who used very simplistic ideas to describe very complex processes and systems or 40 authors, many of whom died for what they wrote about.


63 posted on 09/20/2005 6:33:55 PM PDT by applpie
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To: Vicomte13
Man, what a load of crap. You can allegorize anything into nothingness. Yes, I can see my own life in Adam and Eve's, and the Children of Israel etc, but allegorizing everything is intellectually dishonest. It is a typical exercise by those who 'think they are thinking'. I am not a fan of that practice.

My main argument against Evolution is not theological. I just dont like being lied to.

My BS-meter is hair-trigger and I did not believe in Evolution long before I new there was a theological reason to oppose it.

As a matter of fact, I was raised a Catholic who was taught that Evolution is compatible with Christian teaching. I believed that up until about college, when the lack of evidence for it drove me to believe it was the ultimate conformist drivel.

73 posted on 09/20/2005 6:42:11 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
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