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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Do you have anybody who lived in the last 80 years?your quotes from famous pre-Darwinian scientists doesn't count as evidence against Darwin, or evidence for the Biblical story of creation. "

Why? Has God died?

Nothing that has occured in science over the last 80 years has killed off God. Quite the reverse is true.

Cosomology is in utter disarray. All the popular theories of the past 30 years have been killed. The Biblical origins still remain the most credible.

Physics is more and more justifying a Creator rather than not. Scientists are astonished at the revelations of string theory and quantum dynamics. They point to a design. There are 13 physical constants that cannot vary one iota or else life would cease to exist.

I'll agree with Einstein, and other great scientists who recognize there must be a Creator.

Once we accept there is a Creator then how can we consider that the Creator cannot have the power to influence our universe on a daily basis in any way he might choose?

471 posted on 09/20/2005 12:48:36 PM PDT by Mark Felton (Those who despise instruction despise their own soul...)
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To: Mark Felton
There are 13 physical constants that cannot vary one iota or else life would cease to exist.

Please name these constants and explain how life could not exist if they were different in any way. Note that you will need to show that all possible life cannot exist, not just life as it exists now.
473 posted on 09/20/2005 12:50:06 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Mark Felton
Cosomology is in utter disarray. All the popular theories of the past 30 years have been killed.

This statement is utterly ridiculous. You obviously haven't attended any seminars or perused any papers by prominent cosmologists lately.

Yes, the discovery of an accelerating universe is requiring some fine tuning to cosmological theories, but the Big Bang is still the theory that best fits observational evidence; more specifically inflationary Big Bang theory, which still stands strong after decades.

As far as God goes, cosmology doesn't have anything to really say about it. Physicists don't know what happened before the Big Bang. Scientists have varying opinions about God but virtually all physicists acknowledge the Big Bang theory based on physical evidence.

481 posted on 09/20/2005 1:00:29 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Mark Felton
"Why? Has God died?"

No, and he hasn't commented on Darwin either. Unless you think you speak for him?

"Cosomology is in utter disarray. All the popular theories of the past 30 years have been killed."

No they haven't. The Big Bang is stronger than it has ever been. Where DO you get your info?

"Physics is more and more justifying a Creator rather than not. Scientists are astonished at the revelations of string theory and quantum dynamics."

Now you are going to use one of those *popular theories of the past 30 years* that you claim has been killed as evidence for Genesis? You do realize that String Theory and quantum dynamics support the Big Bang, right?

"I'll agree with Einstein, and other great scientists who recognize there must be a Creator."

Einstein was a self-confessed atheist. His idea of *God* was the regularity of nature. He thought that a personal God and eternal life to be *childish*. Why must creationists try to lie about what Einstein said?
482 posted on 09/20/2005 1:07:06 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Mark Felton

"Cosomology is in utter disarray. All the popular theories of the past 30 years have been killed. The Biblical origins still remain the most credible. "

Really? Perhaps you'll edify us with a list of those theories which are no longer in play. Since you make the statement, you must have such a list at hand, along with the reasons those theories are no longer being considered. I'll await your post with bated breath.


483 posted on 09/20/2005 1:07:42 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Mark Felton
Cosomology is in utter disarray. All the popular theories of the past 30 years have been killed.

I eagerly await your explanation of the Cosmic Microwave Background... Oh wait, that had already been predicted before it was observed, by standard Big Bang theory. It is even isotropic to exactly the extent predicted.

504 posted on 09/20/2005 1:27:57 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Mark Felton

How do we know that these 13 physical constants are not really related in some way? That is, how do we know that there isn't just one underlying constant that gives rise to the apparent 13, but we don't realize it because we lack a unified field theory or some other more comprehensive theory in physics? For example, at one time, there was no reason to believe that the vacuum permissivity (which if you are not familiar deals with the strength of attraction or repulsion caused by electrical charges) and the speed of light were not separate physical constants. After the work of Maxwell, we now recognize that they are not independent constants, but rather are related. In a similar vein, it may very well turn out that these 13 constants are all related in some way to the fundamental structure of the universe. Even if this is not the case, however, the fact that there are 13 constants that have to have a precise value for us to exist is only evidence of a creator for those who already believe. It can also be evidence, for example, that we were just extremely lucky.


731 posted on 09/21/2005 6:28:46 AM PDT by stremba
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