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To: antiRepublicrat
" A hypotheses is a conjecture. You test it to find its truth. No faith there. "

A hypothesis is a belief, based on some evidence, that may be proven true.

The same thing for "faith". We have much evidence and feel confident we will be proven correct.

However, regarding the Holy Spirit and the power of Jesus Christ, that is not faith. It is a certain fact, and because of that I give credence to all that Christ teaches. When my wife and I asked Christ to enter our hearts we immediately felt the power of the Holy Spirit come to life within our souls. It was something unlike anything we had ever experienced before. All of our faculties sensed and knew the truth of that spirit. It was electric. It was powerful and unexpected.

My wife is Jewish and I was a fallen-away Catholic. I rejected it when I was a teen. For 25 years we were deists, at most. But when, with some skepticism, we asked Christ to come into our hearts, as an experiment, albeit sincere, it was incredible and ovewrwhelming. My wife broke down in tears of joy.

That happened about 18 months ago.

We are both successful professionals. I'm an electrical engineer, she a mathemitician. I own a business, she is a 2nd level engineering manager at a very major aerospace firm. We've both been in R&D for decades. We have children etc...We are very well off. We needed nothing. We viewed Christianity as just other flavor of any other religion. We were dead wrong.

We'd been to ethical societies, synagogues, unitarian universalist fellowships etc etc etc and they all were about the same, just fellowships and/or dogma, doctrines and power structures.. We were seeking something but couldn't define it. Materialism didn't quench it.

When we accepted Christ it was on our own, in our bedroom. Nobody coerced us or coached us. We were not converted. We simply learned and then accepted a truth. There is a spirit from God and a capacity for humans to allow that spirit to flourish within them, if they will accept it. Christ was the key. Follow Him and that spirit will come to life and flourish.

The presence of the Holy Spirit within us cannot be proven 'scientifically" any more than "love" can be proven scientifically. But it is an absolute truth.

Likewise for love. Does "love" exist? How can it? Where is the "love" hypothesis for physicists to prove? How about the "soul"? Does it exist scientifically?

Science cannot deal with love, the soul or the common cold, yet you have faith that it is superior to the Creator of the universe.

Your faith in science is simply not supported by science.

396 posted on 09/20/2005 11:34:22 AM PDT by Mark Felton (Those who despise instruction despise their own soul...)
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To: Mark Felton
However, regarding the Holy Spirit and the power of Jesus Christ, that is not faith.

But what you've posted is not evidence and is indeed faith. I remember seeing an article about Patrick Duffy (Bobby on the show Dallas) and how he dealt with the murder of his parents.

He is Buddhists and he said that the comfort of that Buddhism brought him was very real and he could not have made it through that time of grief without it. It is very real to him and I am sure that he felt "something" but it was most likely just a need of comfort.

The charlatan faith healers (who mainstream Christians want nothing to do with) use the same technique.

To many, religion is just a way for people to manage their life and their emotions.

405 posted on 09/20/2005 11:42:30 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Mark Felton
A hypothesis is a belief, based on some evidence, that may be proven true.

There is no proof in hypotheses. There is merely evidence supporting that your hypothesis is valid, or not. A million positive tests still does not show that your hypothesis is valid. There can be a condition or variable you did not take into account that would ruin it. Proof is for math.

However, regarding the Holy Spirit and the power of Jesus Christ, that is not faith.

Faith is all that it is. Personal experience may give you a "truth," but that is not scientifically aceptable. It cannot be reproduced. That is not to demean your faith, only to show that the concept of faith belongs in religion, and not in science. Likewise, the concept of requiring proof, evidence or reproducability belongs in science, not in religion.

Science cannot deal with love, the soul or the common cold, yet you have faith that it is superior to the Creator of the universe.

I have no faith in science. I only see that its method has been extremely successful at showing how our material world works, and therefore how to manipulate it.

Notice "how." That's different from the "why" of religion. You believe religion is everything, so you try to apply it to everything, often failing miserably. I know science cannot be applied to everything, so I don't even try.

499 posted on 09/20/2005 1:25:32 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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