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To: general_re
Hey, why does this inert pen feel "compelled" to fall to the floor when I let go of it?

The force of gravity. You exactly prove my point. Now explain which force it is that compels reproduction and motivates life. "Nothing happens without a cause" (Newton, Einstein, Feynman, Herschel...)

Your chart about reactance applies to billions of chemical reactions but they do not all constitute life. Only those specific reactions utilizing the 4 amino acids in DNA seem compelled to reporduce and create ever more complex and ever more energy dependnent constellations of reactivity.

BTW: Gravity does not exist in our world as we can perceive it with our own senses. "It" does not "fit" within our current 4 dimensions but it influences matter that does exist in our 4 dimensions. We know of it only because we can see its effect on other items that we can touch and see. Gravity fits the description of a "spirit", it cannot be seen, heard, felt, tasted etc ...it cannot be measured directly. We can only measure the force it applies to things that we can then measure directly.

Yet the pseudo-scientists reject seeing "life" and accepting that some "spirit" could possibly motivate the existence of life while they do accept that gravitional force exists when they can only see its affects on other objects. This bias against life force is simply a bias against the Bible. Had the Bible specifically discussed gravity then we would still this day be arguing against the gravity "spirit" as mere superstition by so many athestic "scientists".

116 posted on 09/20/2005 8:14:26 AM PDT by Mark Felton (Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.)
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To: Mark Felton
Your chart about reactance applies to billions of chemical reactions but they do not all constitute life.

It applies to chemical reactions in general, including those that are involved in biological processes. The reactions that cover life proceed, for the most part, for exactly the same reason my pen falls to the floor - the resulting state is a lower energy state than what you started with.

This is basic freshman chemistry - there's nothing magic about biochemistry that makes it operate by a different set of rules than any other sort of chemistry. You might as well ask what force "compels" a match to burn when struck or a piece of iron to rust when exposed to oxygen.

Only those specific reactions utilizing the 4 amino acids in DNA seem compelled to reporduce and create ever more complex and ever more energy dependnent constellations of reactivity.

DNA is composed of nucleotides, which code for twenty different amino acids. Personally, I think it's remarkable that only silicon atoms seem compelled to make silicon dioxide. Carbon, on the other hand, is capable of forming concatenated chains - making complex molecules out of nothing more than methane and a few odds and ends is not particularly difficult. How boring.

Gravity fits the description of a "spirit", it cannot be seen, heard, felt, tasted etc ...it cannot be measured directly. We can only measure the force it applies to things that we can then measure directly.

That doesn't even remotely make sense - gravity is not some invisible elf that somehow exerts a force upon you, it is a force, in and of itself. What difference do you think you're measuring if you take a known mass and weigh it here on earth, and then weigh it on the moon? Not the mass - that's constant. You're measuring gravity, and quite directly too.

177 posted on 09/20/2005 8:45:22 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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