[COUNTrecount]

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

[PeteB570]

I have no problem with a National ID card.

I do have a big problem with a National Data Base System. As we have seen, large data base systems are not only vulnerable to hackers, but to employees willing to sell info for chump change.

[llevrok]

I used to be dead set against a national ID until 9/11. We do need some form of citizenship proof, I am now convinced, so we can start to weed out the illegals.

The Real ID is over kill in that direction though.

[WakeUpAndVote]

Department of Homeland Security is reportedly leaning toward Radio Frequency Identifier tags to accomplish this goal. Small tags in the cards would transmit data via radio signals.


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Good thing I just got a new tin foil hat!

Come on, If a hacker wants something, they can already get it via the State Dept of Trans. National data base, hmmmmm. Social Security Number. That rings a bell.

This is the only way we are going to be able to cut down on voter fraud. If you can't ID yourself and prove who you are and where you live, you don't vote. If you can, it will not matter where you are in the country or overseas serving, you can vote and the results go back to the place you live. Dems don't want the military to vote on time in close races, that is only one of the reasons they don't want it.

I am not all for the RFID tags in the cards though.

[GarySpFc]

REAL ID, however, nationalizes the driver’s license, turning it into an electronic national ID card, and creates a de facto nationwide database for personal information. It is a hacker’s dream come true.

The data remains in the hands of the indiviudal states. I wonder if the people making these charges of Real ID going to far when a couple of our cities become radioactive dust.

[snowrip]

Republicans, Democrats... With a few exceptions, who can tell the difference anymore? Case in point: our President, who leads the charge for utterly unsecure borders, rapidly-growing government, out-of-control spending, billions in federal handouts, and the fallacy of a smaller military being somehow better for the defense of the country...

All things that are classically liberal in both theory and practice. It's time to call a spade a spade.

[joesnuffy]

Everytime it gets hacked will generate another patch or fix
and each time increasingly more intrusion will be required..

Good plan...

[Esther Ruth]

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13649&hed=Banker+Gets+ID+Chip+Implant

[Esther Ruth]

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050912005659&newsLang=en

[bmwcyle]

There is always a problem when government punishes the innocent.

[Esther Ruth]

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=newIssuesNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20050919:MTFH10181_2005-09-19_17-07-55_N19252722:1

Mastercard to use RFID

"top executive with Mastercard Inc. (MA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Monday the company, the world's No. 2 credit-card association, expected to have 4 million so-called "pay pass" cards in circulation by year's end.

"Speaking at an industry conference here, Ruth Ann Marshall, Americas president for MasterCard, said that Citibank, HSBC and Key Bank had all begun offering the cards, which are equipped with a radio-frequency chip that allows customers to pay for purchases by simply waving their cards at readers posted near cash registers or gas pumps."

[Esther Ruth]

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60898,00.html
The charter school's 422 students wear small plastic cards around their necks that have their photograph, name and grade printed on them, and include an embedded RFID chip. As the children enter the school, they approach a kiosk where a reader activates the chip's signal and displays their photograph. The students touch their picture, and the time of their entry into the building is recorded in a database. A school staffer oversees the check-in process.

The school spent $25,000 on the ID system. The $3 ID tags students wear around their necks at all times incorporate the same Texas Instruments smart labels used in the wristbands worn by inmates at the Pima County jail in Texas. Similar wristbands are used to track wounded U.S. soldiers and POWs in Iraq and by the Magic Waters theme park in Illinois for cashless purchases.

[Woodstock]

How would a National ID change anything when our borders are wide open?

[xenophiles]

...people should not be able to get driver’s licenses without proving they are who they say they are.

Why not? A person who can pass the test should be able to pay cash, be photographed (or provide a photograph) and receive a license (with that photo) that says "this person is licensed to drive in this state until such-and-such date".

Some people may find it convenient to have their driver's licenses double as proof of age, address, citizenship or whatever, but there is no good reason for government to require that they do so.

("So that they can keep track of everyone" is not a good reason.)

[Terabitten]

RFID tags also can be used to track people’s movements without their knowledge, according to experts.

I'm reasonably familiar with the RFID program they have in mind - my agency uses the same chips to track our firearms. They work out to about three inches. So, I guess as long as you pass within three inches of a reader, you *could* technically be tracked. IMHO, though, it's worth it if we can stop illegal immigration and vote fraud.

[steve-b]

The two major legitimate uses for a secure federal ID are: 1)catching illegal aliens* and 2)preventing vote fraud.

The politicians in power show absolutely no interest in doing either -- illegal aliens are too useful for their friends' profits, and vote fraud is too useful as insurance against being thrown out of office.

That being the case, I conclude that the real agenda here is something else, and nefarious. I might reconsider if given a credible explanation of what this is supposed to accomplish.

*Securing the country against terrorism is a subset of the general problem of securing the borders against illegal entry, and thus not considered separately.